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Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
Title : Queen of the Cat Kingdom Posts : 23236 Join date : 2011-06-23 Age : 37 Location : Lafayette, LA
| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 8th February 2018, 12:04 pm | |
| - Diagnosed wrote:
- Brit-chan wrote:
- How do you earn these? Well by reading the manga of course.
...you mean reading it with the club right? Just wanna be clear XD. Good point! i should make that more clear. XD |
| | | Cosmos-Hime Moderator
Title : ミ☆ GC's official Sailor Cosmos! ミ☆ Posts : 12832 Join date : 2014-11-14 Age : 32 Location : ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 9th February 2018, 4:06 pm | |
| Okay, so here's my take on book 9. It's pretty long, so bare with me. - Spoiler:
So book 9 is where each senshi ends up going off against enemies individually. While the chibi versions of themselves still throw me off a bit-I know it's supposed to be a manifestation of their soldier instincts (at least that's how I've seen it) I did like how they each had to overcome something. It was like, the little bit of character development and main focus on them alone for a bit-stuff like that should have been there throughout the entire series. I always felt like the other senshi were really shoved aside (with the exception of minako-she didn't get shoved aside until the death buster arc.)The way the art is for the backgrounds, showing the entire light/serene atmosphere when each of them discover their new powers are some of my favorite panels in the entire series. Though I do feel bad that Mercury, Mars and Jupiter all had to focus on romance-the entire "Oh, you're not complete 'till you have a man" message was not only out of character for them to even accept, but it was just outright random-at least to me. It was clear that they weren't looking for romance (especially mars), so why give that message in the first place? I know it was to try to throw off their morale, but jeez.
At least their own personal battles were brutal in their own ways. Jupiter getting shocked to death? Mercury nearly drowning? Venus' was my personal favorite-the entire tricking her to be alone to save kids-while being frustrated at not being able to transform but WHO CARES THERE ARE KIDS TO SAVE only to find out SURPRISE THEY'RE NOT KIDS! Also-artemis's human form was great. The very short development and interactions between venus and atremis in this arc was reminiscent of how they were in Sailor V-I really wish there was more of that. I Also love how phobos and deimos get their own senshi forms and we hear a bit about how their mars' guardians-again, I wish this was present throughout the series, or at least earlier.
I loved seeing what chibiusa would have looked like had she actually grown-even though we get a look at that beforehand with dark lady-and the conflict the poor kid felt when it turns out helios was looking for sailor moon instead well not entirely, but that's for a different volume discussion was well, paced. Also, was helios astral-projecting himself the entire time since his body was actually held captive? I don't remember if we get a clear answer or not.
Also the entire "dark rose in the lung" thing that mamoru has to deal with is just so dang creepy-I love it. I love it to pieces-even the black blood thing. It was my first encounter with a spooky supernatural and serious illness being deliberately cast as a curse on a protagonist in any franchise-I first read this when I was 10 or so-and it blew my little mind. When most heroes get cursed in some way or another, they find a way to shake it off fairly quickly and it didn't even impact them that much. But this was different-it seriously impacted mamoru to the point he's bedridden. It's just so outright diabolical-Like THIS is how an enemy is supposed to act-even when not outright hunting the protagonists, doing little yet incredibly effective things to constantly make the heroes journey worse.
It felt like the dark moon circus as a whole were far more diabolical in their quest to make the senshi fall and take the crystal, and the entire arc seems more intense in that regard then the previous ones. Like other chapters were intense in other arcs, sure-but there were breaks. Here, there are no breaks. Just Wham, wham, wham-one serious thing after another that they rarely cover up with carefree and comedic scenes. The only exception I can think of is the body switching thing-but even then the comedy is thrown aside to use this change to have the characters-mostly chibiusa-dramatically reflect on themselves. It's like you can tell naoko's improved in her writing and pacing and plot points at this point in the series.
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| | | magic713 Lotus Crystal
Title : Lord of SM Wiki Posts : 665 Join date : 2013-05-22 Age : 35 Location : Bald Mountain
| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 9th February 2018, 5:00 pm | |
| ***Hey everyone. The poll for the Sailor Moon Manga Club Vol. 9 Live Chat is up. *** |
| | | mangaka-chan Lotus Crystal
Title : GC's Official Helios/Chibi Usa shipper Posts : 814 Join date : 2013-04-09 Location : Sunny California
| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 14th February 2018, 9:40 pm | |
| I...can't remember if I'm a member of the manga reading club or not, but I'm here now! I'm sorry! I feel so dumb |||OTL I'll post my thought on vol. 9 later, but first, onto this month's theme! I know I probably sound like a broken record, but my #1 OTP is Helios/Chibi-Usa. There are far more established/developed ships in Sailor Moon, but for me this pairing has seized my imagination and never let go. Part of it is because I first started reading the Sailor Moon manga at the Dream arc, and I had no idea what was going on at the time with Helios and Chibi-Usa, but I just found them very sweet and endearing, and that feeling has endured for decades after I first saw them on paper. The other part, I think, is that while Mamo and Usagi are the main couple, we know they'll get a happily ever after, so for me there isn't much suspense story telling wise. For Chibs and Helios this isn't true. They're both young (well, they appear young at least) and their relationship is just beginning to burgeon, and their future, together or apart, is unknown. As someone who likes to imagine stories beyond the canon this was perfect for me as there was just enough material to set up a whole new universe of stories. As for preference of anime vs manga, I'd say I prefer their anime relationship development, because it took its time and really showed us how they got to know and trust one another before romance started to blossom. The manga on the other hand, feels a bit rushed, especially from Helios' perspective (in fact, I'd say his whole character is better developed in the anime compared to the manga). However, I like the lore of the manga better, but I'll save that discussion for later. As for NOTPs, I feel like I've seen a lot of odd and cracky ships over the years, some done seriously, others, well...for the sake of crack or silliness. XD;; One of my old NOTPs was Helios/Endymion, and I think I was more shocked than anything else at the time, but the idea of that doesn't bother me much now. I feel like as long as a ship is carefully thought out and not dialed up to 11 for the sake of dialing it up or PWP, then I can probably go along with it. |
| | | Diagnosed Lotus Crystal
Posts : 2346 Join date : 2016-11-14 Age : 38 Location : Toronto
| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 15th February 2018, 11:25 am | |
| - mangaka-chan wrote:
- One of my old NOTPs was Helios/Endymion, and I think I was more shocked than anything else at the time...
Oh wow... Yeah that's a little shocking XD. I mean, somehow I feel like that would be a lot more awkward than even Mamo x one of the Shitennou lol. (And this is coming from a yaoi fan over here, btw... Though I don't ship for the sake of shipping like I once did with other fandoms ^^;;.) But sure... Give me a convincing plot and psychological development and maybe... lol. I think that's the thing with NOTPs (or near-NOTPs): it's like a final test of writing mastery to actually make it work. Maybe a good guild challenge idea there hehe. Though I feel like they would mostly have to be above PG-13 just because things would have to be a little twisted to twist fate that much >.>. |
| | | magic713 Lotus Crystal
Title : Lord of SM Wiki Posts : 665 Join date : 2013-05-22 Age : 35 Location : Bald Mountain
| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 21st February 2018, 9:00 am | |
| **OK, poll is closed. It has been decided that the Sailor Moon Manga Vol. 9 Live Chat will be taking place on Friday February 23rd at 9PM EST. See you there** |
| | | Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
Title : Queen of the Cat Kingdom Posts : 23236 Join date : 2011-06-23 Age : 37 Location : Lafayette, LA
| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 21st February 2018, 6:55 pm | |
| - Cosmos-Hime wrote:
- Okay, so here's my take on book 9. It's pretty long, so bare with me.
- Spoiler:
So book 9 is where each senshi ends up going off against enemies individually. While the chibi versions of themselves still throw me off a bit-I know it's supposed to be a manifestation of their soldier instincts (at least that's how I've seen it) I did like how they each had to overcome something. It was like, the little bit of character development and main focus on them alone for a bit-stuff like that should have been there throughout the entire series. I always felt like the other senshi were really shoved aside (with the exception of minako-she didn't get shoved aside until the death buster arc.)The way the art is for the backgrounds, showing the entire light/serene atmosphere when each of them discover their new powers are some of my favorite panels in the entire series. Though I do feel bad that Mercury, Mars and Jupiter all had to focus on romance-the entire "Oh, you're not complete 'till you have a man" message was not only out of character for them to even accept, but it was just outright random-at least to me. It was clear that they weren't looking for romance (especially mars), so why give that message in the first place? I know it was to try to throw off their morale, but jeez.
At least their own personal battles were brutal in their own ways. Jupiter getting shocked to death? Mercury nearly drowning? Venus' was my personal favorite-the entire tricking her to be alone to save kids-while being frustrated at not being able to transform but WHO CARES THERE ARE KIDS TO SAVE only to find out SURPRISE THEY'RE NOT KIDS! Also-artemis's human form was great. The very short development and interactions between venus and atremis in this arc was reminiscent of how they were in Sailor V-I really wish there was more of that. I Also love how phobos and deimos get their own senshi forms and we hear a bit about how their mars' guardians-again, I wish this was present throughout the series, or at least earlier.
I loved seeing what chibiusa would have looked like had she actually grown-even though we get a look at that beforehand with dark lady-and the conflict the poor kid felt when it turns out helios was looking for sailor moon instead well not entirely, but that's for a different volume discussion was well, paced. Also, was helios astral-projecting himself the entire time since his body was actually held captive? I don't remember if we get a clear answer or not.
Also the entire "dark rose in the lung" thing that mamoru has to deal with is just so dang creepy-I love it. I love it to pieces-even the black blood thing. It was my first encounter with a spooky supernatural and serious illness being deliberately cast as a curse on a protagonist in any franchise-I first read this when I was 10 or so-and it blew my little mind. When most heroes get cursed in some way or another, they find a way to shake it off fairly quickly and it didn't even impact them that much. But this was different-it seriously impacted mamoru to the point he's bedridden. It's just so outright diabolical-Like THIS is how an enemy is supposed to act-even when not outright hunting the protagonists, doing little yet incredibly effective things to constantly make the heroes journey worse.
It felt like the dark moon circus as a whole were far more diabolical in their quest to make the senshi fall and take the crystal, and the entire arc seems more intense in that regard then the previous ones. Like other chapters were intense in other arcs, sure-but there were breaks. Here, there are no breaks. Just Wham, wham, wham-one serious thing after another that they rarely cover up with carefree and comedic scenes. The only exception I can think of is the body switching thing-but even then the comedy is thrown aside to use this change to have the characters-mostly chibiusa-dramatically reflect on themselves. It's like you can tell naoko's improved in her writing and pacing and plot points at this point in the series.
Ooh ooooh ooh. I hope we can all bring up some of these points when we chat! The curse was always interesting to me plus getting more character development of the girls is a huge win-win. I haven't finished reading bad meeee but I think you are right about this arc. Though, I find there's a bit a decline in the Stars arc but I don't know if that's the fault of Naoko truly and more on how much she was rushed to finish it up. :/ - mangaka-chan wrote:
I...can't remember if I'm a member of the manga reading club or not, but I'm here now! I'm sorry! I feel so dumb |||OTL I'll post my thought on vol. 9 later, but first, onto this month's theme!
I know I probably sound like a broken record, but my #1 OTP is Helios/Chibi-Usa. There are far more established/developed ships in Sailor Moon, but for me this pairing has seized my imagination and never let go. Part of it is because I first started reading the Sailor Moon manga at the Dream arc, and I had no idea what was going on at the time with Helios and Chibi-Usa, but I just found them very sweet and endearing, and that feeling has endured for decades after I first saw them on paper. The other part, I think, is that while Mamo and Usagi are the main couple, we know they'll get a happily ever after, so for me there isn't much suspense story telling wise. For Chibs and Helios this isn't true. They're both young (well, they appear young at least) and their relationship is just beginning to burgeon, and their future, together or apart, is unknown. As someone who likes to imagine stories beyond the canon this was perfect for me as there was just enough material to set up a whole new universe of stories.
As for preference of anime vs manga, I'd say I prefer their anime relationship development, because it took its time and really showed us how they got to know and trust one another before romance started to blossom. The manga on the other hand, feels a bit rushed, especially from Helios' perspective (in fact, I'd say his whole character is better developed in the anime compared to the manga). However, I like the lore of the manga better, but I'll save that discussion for later.
As for NOTPs, I feel like I've seen a lot of odd and cracky ships over the years, some done seriously, others, well...for the sake of crack or silliness. XD;; One of my old NOTPs was Helios/Endymion, and I think I was more shocked than anything else at the time, but the idea of that doesn't bother me much now. I feel like as long as a ship is carefully thought out and not dialed up to 11 for the sake of dialing it up or PWP, then I can probably go along with it. OH HAI MANGAKA! I'm adding you to our roster now. ^____^ OTP bestiessss! XD I like your reasoning behind why you like them though! It's not really something that crossed my mind maybe because in my mind I'm settled on them getting together but it is true that we know that Usa and Mamo have their guaranteed happily ever after, unlike many other pairings in the series. I'm on board with the anime version of seeing their relationship grow, even though I do have some preferences for the over all plot and story of the manga. Chibiusa and Helios's scenes in the anime are some of my most favorite and beloved scenes of the entire series. The dreamscapes and flight scenes were always so romantic to me, not to mention the ending song (and thus other arrangements of it in BGMs) of Watashitachi ni Naritakute. It's been a favorite song of mine ever since I heard it years ago. /goes down memory lane Anyway... ^^;;; I've never heard of anyone pairing Helios and Endymion. o_o Have you ever read any fics on it that were PWP that were decent? XD - magic713 wrote:
- **OK, poll is closed. It has been decided that the Sailor Moon Manga Vol. 9 Live Chat will be taking place on Friday February 23rd at 9PM EST. See you there**
Looking forward to it! If you still aren't in our Discord group, make sure to PM me before the live chat!! |
| | | mangaka-chan Lotus Crystal
Title : GC's Official Helios/Chibi Usa shipper Posts : 814 Join date : 2013-04-09 Location : Sunny California
| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 21st February 2018, 8:41 pm | |
| - Brit-chan wrote:
- Mangaka-chan
I...can't remember if I'm a member of the manga reading club or not, but I'm here now! I'm sorry! I feel so dumb |||OTL I'll post my thought on vol. 9 later, but first, onto this month's theme! - Quote :
I know I probably sound like a broken record, but my #1 OTP is Helios/Chibi-Usa. There are far more established/developed ships in Sailor Moon, but for me this pairing has seized my imagination and never let go. Part of it is because I first started reading the Sailor Moon manga at the Dream arc, and I had no idea what was going on at the time with Helios and Chibi-Usa, but I just found them very sweet and endearing, and that feeling has endured for decades after I first saw them on paper. The other part, I think, is that while Mamo and Usagi are the main couple, we know they'll get a happily ever after, so for me there isn't much suspense story telling wise. For Chibs and Helios this isn't true. They're both young (well, they appear young at least) and their relationship is just beginning to burgeon, and their future, together or apart, is unknown. As someone who likes to imagine stories beyond the canon this was perfect for me as there was just enough material to set up a whole new universe of stories.
As for preference of anime vs manga, I'd say I prefer their anime relationship development, because it took its time and really showed us how they got to know and trust one another before romance started to blossom. The manga on the other hand, feels a bit rushed, especially from Helios' perspective (in fact, I'd say his whole character is better developed in the anime compared to the manga). However, I like the lore of the manga better, but I'll save that discussion for later.
As for NOTPs, I feel like I've seen a lot of odd and cracky ships over the years, some done seriously, others, well...for the sake of crack or silliness. XD;; One of my old NOTPs was Helios/Endymion, and I think I was more shocked than anything else at the time, but the idea of that doesn't bother me much now. I feel like as long as a ship is carefully thought out and not dialed up to 11 for the sake of dialing it up or PWP, then I can probably go along with it. OH HAI MANGAKA! I'm adding you to our roster now. ^____^ OTP bestiessss! XD I like your reasoning behind why you like them though! It's not really something that crossed my mind maybe because in my mind I'm settled on them getting together but it is true that we know that Usa and Mamo have their guaranteed happily ever after, unlike many other pairings in the series.
I'm on board with the anime version of seeing their relationship grow, even though I do have some preferences for the over all plot and story of the manga. Chibiusa and Helios's scenes in the anime are some of my most favorite and beloved scenes of the entire series. The dreamscapes and flight scenes were always so romantic to me, not to mention the ending song (and thus other arrangements of it in BGMs) of Watashitachi ni Naritakute. It's been a favorite song of mine ever since I heard it years ago. /goes down memory lane
Anyway... ^^;;; I've never heard of anyone pairing Helios and Endymion. o_o Have you ever read any fics on it that were PWP that were decent? XD
- magic713 wrote:
- **OK, poll is closed. It has been decided that the Sailor Moon Manga Vol. 9 Live Chat will be taking place on Friday February 23rd at 9PM EST. See you there**
Looking forward to it! If you still aren't in our Discord group, make sure to PM me before the live chat!! We can fangirl over Helios/Chibs together! Open-ended stories are my favorite kind of stories, as far as fanfic writing is concerned, and this pairing is one of the first things that made me aware of how much I enjoy writing. I can probably write a second dissertation on my thoughts and head-canons for this ship, but I agree with pretty much everything you said! If there is one thing I would nit-pick with the 90's anime is that I wish they'd have shown some of the romantic scenes between Chibi-Usa and Pegasus as her and his human form instead. Apparently some of the scenes between her and Pegasus gave people the wrong impression i.e. cough*bestiality, which, for me as a teenager, I totally didn't pick up on, but others evidently did. When I first came across those sentiments online I was legitimately confused, but looking back on it now I can kinda see why some scenes might squirk some people out a bit. As for those Helios/Endymion fanfics...IMO, yes, but that also depends on one's definition of "decent". XD;; All the ones I've come across were rated M, and I don't think it's possible to write this ship without some heavy AU and/or the character themselves are OOC to differing degrees. Though to be perfectly honest, I tended to skim most of those fics and rarely read them all the way through because the set up flummox me so much, so I can't give a fair recommendation. Thanks for adding me to the club! I don't know if I'll be able to make it to the chat but I'll try once I get added to the Discord manga club. |
| | | Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
Title : Queen of the Cat Kingdom Posts : 23236 Join date : 2011-06-23 Age : 37 Location : Lafayette, LA
| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 22nd February 2018, 11:01 am | |
| - mangaka-chan wrote:
- I can probably write a second dissertation on my thoughts and head-canons for this ship, but I agree with pretty much everything you said! If there is one thing I would nit-pick with the 90's anime is that I wish they'd have shown some of the romantic scenes between Chibi-Usa and Pegasus as her and his human form instead.
I wish the Helios reveal had been a bit earlier in the season for that reason alone. xD I love in the end where they say good bye and she is so shy around him. It's really cute! - mangaka-chan wrote:
- Apparently some of the scenes between her and Pegasus gave people the wrong impression
i.e. cough*bestiality, which, for me as a teenager, I totally didn't pick up on, but others evidently did. When I first came across those sentiments online I was legitimately confused, but looking back on it now I can kinda see why some scenes might squirk some people out a bit.
As for those Helios/Endymion fanfics...IMO, yes, but that also depends on one's definition of "decent". XD;; All the ones I've come across were rated M, and I don't think it's possible to write this ship without some heavy AU and/or the character themselves are OOC to differing degrees. Though to be perfectly honest, I tended to skim most of those fics and rarely read them all the way through because the set up flummox me so much, so I can't give a fair recommendation.
Thanks for adding me to the club! I don't know if I'll be able to make it to the chat but I'll try once I get added to the Discord manga club. I was always confused why people thought it was odd too since I was the same way! I didn't really take it that way. Most likely because: A.) I knew it was fiction B.) He's not REALLY an actual horse C.) This is a pure romance. Their love is exactly as the words in the ending song: "baby love". It's sweet, cute and 100% innocent. In fact the only time where it might've gotten a little uncomfortable was in the anime where Chibiusa starts undressing in front of him, not really thinking much about it (cause hey he's a magical pegasus that shows up in my dreams). She probably just saw it just like how you have no problems getting naked and taking a bath with your sister when you are that young. Ya know? (plus i found that scene more humorous than uncomfortable) D.) THEY ARE THE BEST COUPLE. FANS NEED TO GTFO IF THEY GOT A PROBLEM WITH IT. XD XD XD ANd that's ok on the fanfiction. I was just curious if you may have come across any. xD I don't think I'll actively seek any out cause honestly it seems too AU to be a ship I'd enjoy. I have a tendency to enjoy canon only ships or if its not canon yet but is suggested it might be oooor in some cases like Rei and Minako cause of their interactions in PGSM mostly. >.> Also you've been added to the group so you should see it next time you jump on discord! |
| | | magic713 Lotus Crystal
Title : Lord of SM Wiki Posts : 665 Join date : 2013-05-22 Age : 35 Location : Bald Mountain
| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 23rd February 2018, 5:00 pm | |
| **Attention: Chat begins in one hour. See you there! ** |
| | | magic713 Lotus Crystal
Title : Lord of SM Wiki Posts : 665 Join date : 2013-05-22 Age : 35 Location : Bald Mountain
| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 26th February 2018, 10:44 am | |
| Last weeks's chat was very fun. I enjoyed hearing people's thoughts on the volume. So I'm going to post my feelings on Volume 9. - Vol. 9:
We go further into the Dream Arc where we discover that none of the Senshi are able to transform (except Sailor Moon and Sailor Chibi Moon). Each chapter is focused on one of the Sailor Senshi and the issues they have to work through while they are under attack from agents of the Dead Moon Circus. This is unique, in that the villains know exactly who the Senshi are in their civilian forms and attack them while they're weakened. I know how unsettled I'd be if the fish I brought home was a minion to attack me in my own house. Ami was attacked in her house, Rei was almost mauled to death by a tiger, ring Makoto received was infested with Lemures, and Minako (the one who actively sought out the Dead Moon Circus to prove herself a leader) saw her friend possibly crushed by a giant boulder.
I feel like because we are not introduced to more Senshi and all the current ones are still present and there's not too much focus in discovering Helios's identity, that the Inner Senshi were given more time for character development and earn their power-ups, as oppose to being given them all at once.
Meanwhile, Mamoru is under attack from a Black Rose curse, which causes him to cough up black blood. Also, when we see Mamoru at the hospital and the doctor tells him he has shadows in his lungs, I can't help but feel like this could actually be something people in real like could experience (shadows inside the body as a sign of a real disease). We start to see that Mamoru begins to try and avoid Usagi, worried she might get sick as well. In my opinion, if 90s was more accurate to manga, this would be a great place to put a temporary break-up arc, before Usagi discovers his affliction.
We see the Outers and we get to see adorable child Hotaru, who is now a child and is being raised by the other three Outers. All three of them decided to take up certain responsibilities in raising her, but we find out that they, too, can't transform. We see Hotaru becomes reacquainted with Sailor Saturn and reaches her original age. And the Outers now have their new mission, where they no longer need to be isolated from all others. That it is a new start to work together with the others.
Finally by the end, all the Senshi have gained their Super forms, but we see that the Black Rose curse has now infected Usagi. Hence why the threat of it would've been more credible for initiating a temp. break-up (as oppose to bad dreams that lead to no where in plot).
And you can't mention Dream arc without Helios and his romance with Chibiusa. It is very adorable, and also more acceptable when you discover that his Pegasus form is a form he's trapped in by Nehellenia (so he is really a human).
On a light-hearted not, I do find it interesting how there are some aspects of the Dead Moon Circus that I'd expect from a regular circus, such as 'No Cats Allowed' or the high prices for seats.
Congratz on Mangaka for winning the trivia contest and well-done to everyone who was able to make it to the chat. I hope to see you again for the conclusion of Dream in Vol. 10. |
| | | mangaka-chan Lotus Crystal
Title : GC's Official Helios/Chibi Usa shipper Posts : 814 Join date : 2013-04-09 Location : Sunny California
| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 26th February 2018, 10:28 pm | |
| That was really fun! And thanks to everyone (especially Diagnosed) for a great round of lightening speed trivia! As for my slightly rambling thoughts about vol 9, - volume 9:
The volume starts with Usagi and Chibi-Usa having switched ages. This is one of my favorite gags in the series, because not only do we get to see what Usagi would've looked like as a kid, but also what a real grown-up Chibi-Usa would look like. The older Chibi-Usa that we see here is very different from Black Lady. Black Lady had glass like eyes (which was a point Naoko Takeuchi made the in Black Moon arc artbook, IIRC) but the older Chibs in this volume has the body she'd always dreamed of, but also the determination we've come to know is a part of Chibi-Usa's character when she volunteers to go home first.
Another interesting thing that came up as I reread this volume was a question of who exactly was the maiden Helios looking for? He tells Chibi-Usa after she got magically aged up that she really is the maiden he's looking for. But later on, after Fish Eye is defeated, he asks Sailor Moon if she is Princess Serenity, implying that Princess Serenity is the maiden he seeks. This would lead one to assume Helios had confused the maiden in his vision (which is revealed in the next volume), Princess Lady Serenity, with Princess Serenity. After all, the two of them do look alike and are related. But in the next volume, after Chibi Moon awakens him with a kiss, he thinks to himself that she really is the maiden he'd been looking for. This made me wonder if maybe Helios knew very well that Princess Serenity and Princess Lady Serenity are two individuals, and he is really looking for two separate maidens: one is Princess Serenity, the person described to him by a vision he had; the other is Princess Lady Serenity, the woman who delivered those prophecies to him. Openly, the maiden he was looking for was Princess Serenity/Sailor Moon, who could help find the Golden Crystal to lift the curse on the Earth and Elysion. But secretly, I think he was also trying to find Lady Serenity, likely because he'd fallen for her after their fleeting meeting. That's why when he sees Chibi-Usa's grown up form he was so happy that she was indeed the maiden he sought; he had found one of the two maidens he was looking for. But with Elysion, the Earth, and Endymion in peril, Helios had to focus on finding the maiden who would help him lift the curse, even if his heart is searching for someone else.
Shifting gears a bit, we come to the Outer family chapter where we see that Hotaru has been growing like a weed after the eclipse, leaving her parents on edge by its implications. Compounded by the fact that none of them could transform, and thus feel powerless, made the scene where a fully grown up Hotaru comes into the room and reveals to them what has been happening to the others while they were gone. Hotaru then gives all of them their sailor crystal, which I thought was a bit too quick and neat compared to the trials and tribulations the Inners had to go through. Whereas Ami, Rei, Mako, and Minako all had to face some form of personal doubt, the Outers were quite literately handed their crystal XD;; But beyond that, it's interesting that Hotaru seems to be the one most knowledgeable about senshi lore, and knew they would need the power of their sailor crystal for the battle ahead. Realistically, I don't think Naoko Takeuchi planned for each senshi to have a sailor crystal when she first started writing Sailor Moon, and so there are noticeable plot holes on we progress from arc to arc. Still, given how much awakening of one's inherent power there is in this arc, it makes me wonder what sort of power the senshi had been tapping into before hand. Were they drawing on just a small fraction of their sailor crystal's power, with the rest being dormant?
The volume ends with Chibi-Usa looking up at an ominous sky, and thinking about Helios, who had been cursed to take the form of a Pegasus and imprisoned, and how she wants to help him. This reminds me of a scene earlier in the book, after Helios finally reveals the curse and the intent of the Dead Moon Circus to Usagi and the others. When Helios' strength wanes, we see that the curse he's under takes the form of wings sprouting painfully from his back as his human form fades back into that of a Pegasus. This scene stood out to me, because so often in shoujo manga, and Sailor Moon in particular, wings have been associated with the light, goodness, and righteousness. But here wings are a manifestation of a terrible curse, and I find it fascinating that in this instance Naoko had inverted a trope she had used repeatedly in her own story.
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| | | Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 1st March 2018, 6:52 pm | |
| It's March and time to start volume 10. You guys we've only got 3 volumes left and then we'll be done! :O - Brit-chan wrote:
March 2018's Club AnnouncementsJust as a reminder to members: the club has our very own collectable achievement stamps!!How do you earn these? Well by reading the manga with the club of course. As well as participating in the thread and livechats (this is how i know you read it ^_^) There are stamps if you read Vol 1-6, Vol 7-12, the Short Stories and Sailor V. If you are really dedicated and have read all of the above, you get a shiny stamp! We have a spreadsheet where I'm keeping track of everyone's progress. If you feel like I've missed something, let me know and I'll fix it. ^_^ Ooooh shiny!!!Have you earned a stamp yet? Check below the spoiler and see! - Spoiler:
Addelyn, Brit-chan, Cosmos-hime, Diagnosed and Magic713 can claim Addelyn, Brit-chan and Magic713 can claime Addelyn, Brit-chan, Cosmos-hime, CrystalBunny and Magic713 can claime Addelyn, Brit-chan, Cosmos-hime, Magic713, Sailor Zelda and TS Sailor Cronus can claim Addelyn, Brit-chan and Magic713 have each read all of the manga! You've unlocked the ultimate shiny of all:
Don't forget to grab your bumper: Bumpers from past livechats below in the spoiler:- Spoiler:
February 2018Congratulations to our trivia winner: Mangaka-chan! For all trivia participants January 2018Congratulations to our trivia winner: Sailor Arkas! For all trivia participants Professor Tomoe won the Father of the Year Award /s September 2017Congratulations to our September Trivia Winners Diagnosed and Sailor Arkas! July 2017 Love Pluto? Hate Demand? These are for you. ;D For our Trivia Winner: Cardea For all trivia participants Discussion of the Month:The Dream arc uses a lot of motifs common in fairytails: a magical creature, an evil witch and a dark curse. With the curse, it's definitely got a Sleeping Beauty feel to it. What's your favorite fairytale? Has it influenced other works you've read/seen? Next Volume:Sailor Moon Vol. 10Read online at:Miss DreamDiscussions Open: March 16th 2018Live Chat Discussion: TBD! |
| | | magic713 Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 5th March 2018, 5:00 pm | |
| *** Greetings club members. The poll for the Sailor Moon Manga Club Vol. 10 Live Chat is here.*** |
| | | yunbuns Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 12th March 2018, 9:30 am | |
| Outside of the Stars arc best arc, I really haven't read through the manga in awhile so I'll try to jump in since you're getting to the best arc Stars soon. |
| | | Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 13th March 2018, 11:22 am | |
| Yassss! Welcome back Yunie!! I'll add you back into hte list and stuff. Feel free to jump in withour discussion question, which I haven't had a chance to even touch yet. ;-; |
| | | chrissifniotis Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 14th March 2018, 3:08 am | |
| I still need to get the manga! :O |
| | | magic713 Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 16th March 2018, 9:07 am | |
| **Alright everyone. the results are in. It has been decided that the Sailor Moon Manga Vol. 10 Live Chat will be taking place on Friday March 23rd at 9PM EST. Looking forward to chatting about the conclusion of Dream Arc.
Also, Discussion is now open, if you'd like to discussion the current topic on the forum.
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Discussion of the Month:
The Dream arc uses a lot of motifs common in fairytails: a magical creature, an evil witch and a dark curse. With the curse, it's definitely got a Sleeping Beauty feel to it. What's your favorite fairytale? Has it influenced other works you've read/seen? Have fun ** |
| | | Chronos Typhoon Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 22nd March 2018, 4:15 pm | |
| Hello! I'd like to join, It's been a long time since I've read the manga, and I'd love to read it again with you all |
| | | Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 22nd March 2018, 5:55 pm | |
| Absolutely! I'll get you added to the group! We're having our chat for vol 10 tomorrow if you feel like joining in with us! |
| | | Cosmos-Hime Moderator
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 22nd March 2018, 8:38 pm | |
| I honestly can't really think of many fairytales that have blended into the themes of franchises or movies I've watched-aside from the actual fairytales themselves. This is going to take some serious thinking-I'll be back to edit this post when I find any. I have a soft spot for all fairytales-even moreso now that I've heard the original versions before they were edited through decades to make them more children-friendly. The original version of snow white had a neat ending, in my opinion. - original ending, PG-13 warning:
Snow white did become queen and all, and she didn't let the evil woman off the hook. One of her first orders was to place the woman in iron shoes and have her dance on hot coals until she died. Gruesome, yes, but fitting since poor snow white had been through so much. Another major difference is that there was a different assassination attempt before the poison apple-she appears as that old woman not once, but twice-and gave her a magical comb that made a strand of snow-white's hair once she combed it-turned it alive like a snake and had it nearly strangle her. Then the entire poison apple thing happened.
Then there's the totally NOT pg-13 story of bluebeard. This one is certainly more of one of the mature stories, and it's so twisted and yet full of poetic justice I can't help but love it. It reads like a horror story. Gotta love Alice in wonderland and it's sequel though. It's so random and "mad"-it's just so much fun! I could go on and on about all the fairytales I like and why, but that would probably deserve a thread of it's own. XD |
| | | mangaka-chan Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 22nd March 2018, 10:11 pm | |
| @Cosmos-hime: When I was little I only knew about the original Hans Christian Anderson versions of these classic fairy tales, as Disney movies were still uncommonly available in China at the time. I recall seeing Disney's The Little Mermaid for the first time and bulking at the happy ending, thinking "Hey! This isn't how the story is suppose to end!" XD;; Even now, I think I still prefer the bittersweet ending to the happily-ever-after Disney movie. As for me, my favorite fairy tale is actually a myth from ancient Greece: the story of Cupid and Psyche. I remember getting really into Greek mythology when I was in 6th grade, and I got a copy of Edith Hamilton's Mythology. For some reason, this tale was the one that really spoke to me, partly I think because both Cupid and Psyche are depicted as flawed individuals. Cupid was dishonest about his true nature to Psyche, and Psyche lacked trust in Cupid. I also like the fact that after Cupid left her, Psyche didn't give up and undertook the trials Aphrodite tasked her with, no matter how terrifying they were. The fact that they have a happy ending and the poetic quality of the union of love and soul tickled the romantic in me, and to this day it remains my favorite Greek myth. Funnily enough (or maybe unsurprisingly), the idea of "a girl being proactive in looking for the person she loves" is also reflected is another folk tale that I like: East of the Sun and West of the Moon. Again, we have a female protagonist who does not sit idly by and chases after her loves one, who had been cursed with a shape-shifting spell. This of course, contributed to my love for Chibi-Usa and Helios' story, which has remarkable similarities to both legends. |
| | | TS Sailor Cronus Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 22nd March 2018, 11:15 pm | |
| @Mangakachan: Lol, I was all set to mention EotSWotM compared to Cupid and Psyche but you did it already.
I don't know how many people here are familiar with it, but Pretear is based on Snow White. I highly recommend watching it. It's only 13 episodes, but it is so full of feels, feels, feels! |
| | | Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 23rd March 2018, 6:43 am | |
| Ooh I had forgotten Pretear was based off of Snow White! That was a great anime. And thanks Cosmos for getting the discussion going cause I was having a hard time thinking of stuff myself but now you guys have jogged my memory!
First there's Princess Tutu which is a bunch of fairy-tales wrapped into one feelsy story. Then, I was just thinking about how there is tons of media based on the 16th century Chinese novel Journey to the West, including anime, video games, comics and of course tons of Hong Kong and other Asian country films and tv shows. Probably the most well known anime that's loosely based on it is Dragon Ball.
I'm sure there's others but that's all I have off the top of my head. xD |
| | | mangaka-chan Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 23rd March 2018, 8:10 am | |
| - Brit-chan wrote:
- First there's Princess Tutu which is a bunch of fairy-tales wrapped into one feelsy story. Then, I was just thinking about how there is tons of media based on the 16th century Chinese novel Journey to the West, including anime, video games, comics and of course tons of Hong Kong and other Asian country films and tv shows. Probably the most well known anime that's loosely based on it is Dragon Ball.
I'm sure there's others but that's all I have off the top of my head. xD Oh! I completely forgot about Princess Tutu even though it was basically my life for about 7 years. There are so many classical fairy tale and ballet themed stories in that show, and I love how some of those familiar tropes were upended in the end. Re: Journey to the West, it is probably the most popular work of classic Chinese folk lore to have been propagated in the modern age. But another well known Chinese novel based on classical folklore/mythology is Fengshen Yanyi, aka Investiture of the Gods, or Houshin Engi, as it's known in Japanese. The story resolves around an immortal sage name Jiang Ziya (also known as Taigongwang) who's been charged with sealing away demons that have bewitched the king of the Shang dynasty, chief among them, the nine tailed vixen Daji. Houshin Engi was made into a manga series by Ryu Fujisaki in the late 90's, who put his own spin on the story, both in terms of plot as well as artistic design. |
| | | Diagnosed Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 23rd March 2018, 3:51 pm | |
| Speaking of Sleeping Beauty, I absolutely LOVED that element of it in this volume with Nehellenia's backstory! And incorporating the mirror the way she did was just awesome. And then it ends with a gender-reversal of the waking kiss which is cute 'cause hello modernity, I guess XD. A fairy tale dear to my heart is actually Rumpelstiltskin. For whatever reason, it's one that really stood out to me as a child. It solidified in my mind the character traits of a proper imp - always looking for a bargain, with a foul temper and just a little too much hubris. I rather like him as a character! The version I like best is the one where on the third night he shows up and spins the gold despite the protests of the girl, since it makes his comeuppance particularly satisfying. There's a bit of luck involved, but I still like that the girl, although pretty much a door mat until that point, has at least the idea to send someone (or better, go herself as she does in some versions) into the woods where he may live. My only question is what he was intending to do with her child... Probably eat it I guess. I don't know of any other media off-hand that borrows directly from this tale, though deal-making with evil or chaotic-good creatures is pretty common in tales from all over the world. |
| | | Cosmos-Hime Moderator
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 23rd March 2018, 4:01 pm | |
| Didn't madoka magica have some elements of some german fairytale that were represented by the names of the witches, including where the runic alphabet that was used in the witches wards? I don't remember too much, but it the entire thing with sayaka's wish as well as her succumbing to despair was loosely inspired by it. This was from a rather old tumblr post, and I can't remember if it was properly sourced or not. Heck, the information I remember is rather dusty. Did anyone else hear of this, or read something that verifies the claim? If not it's totally fine. Madoka does have loose fairytale-tyle elements with witches, wishes, curses and treachery and whatnot. It also has an evil animal that ends up tricking humans-that's always a super big thing in fairy tales. The animals that talk end up doing the tricking in quite a bit of them-if it's not witches or warlocks, that is. |
| | | magic713 Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 23rd March 2018, 5:01 pm | |
| Just want to remind members that the chat starts in an hour. - Diagnosed wrote:
- Speaking of Sleeping Beauty, I absolutely LOVED that element of it in this volume with Nehellenia's backstory! And incorporating the mirror the way she did was just awesome. And then it ends with a gender-reversal of the waking kiss which is cute
'cause hello modernity, I guess XD. I'll admit, the Sleeping Beauty story is definitely a factor in my loving this arc. First reading, I'm stunned that my favorite fairy-tale was implemented into my favorite anime (since I saw anime before reading the manga). |
| | | Chronos Typhoon Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 23rd March 2018, 8:56 pm | |
| Hi all I know I missed this live chat, but I'm confused where does it take place? I don't see a link or anything anywhere? Thanks! |
| | | magic713 Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Sailor Moon Manga Club 2017/2018 [Archived] 24th March 2018, 4:47 pm | |
| Hey club members! We have an exciting announcement. If you weren't able to make it to the last chat of Vol. 10 of Sailor Moon but wanted to, then I have good news! Me and Brit decided to try again. We are going to have another chat of Vol. 10 this Friday. March 30th at 9:00 PM EST. We will chat and we will have a trivia challenge, since we couldn't the last time. Looking forward to chatting
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