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Hana-ko Pyramidal Crystal
Title : give a sailor yell! Posts : 341 Join date : 2011-06-30 Age : 34 Location : ME, USA.
| Subject: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 7th July 2011, 4:39 pm | |
| Okay, so I've recently gotten into Code name Sailor V, but while reading it I couldn't help but notice some similarities. For one, I found that V's parents and Moon's parents look the same: There's an Ami look-a-like [although the personalities somewhat differ] And there's another Umino too. xD So, are these merely coincidences, or did Naoko scrap these characters, edit their personality, and then use them for characters when she made Sailor Moon? |
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SailorBAMF Pyramidal Crystal
Title : Her Royal Badass MF-er Posts : 189 Join date : 2011-07-05 Age : 33 Location : Gainesville, FL
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 7th July 2011, 5:44 pm | |
| Whoa! Very similar... I don't know, but it seems like Naoko is recycling the characters. In her other man gas, doesn't she. Reuse the Sailor Moon concept also? Or maybe it is a deep philosophical look into the role Mina will always play, the shadow of Usagi. Even in another life, it is always and forever in her shadow? Hehe, or I'm just BSing. I've always thought Sailor Venus was supposed to be the counterfeit princess in a Moon Princess assignation attempt |
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Hana-ko Pyramidal Crystal
Title : give a sailor yell! Posts : 341 Join date : 2011-06-30 Age : 34 Location : ME, USA.
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 8th July 2011, 4:30 am | |
| Ok, later on toward the end, you run into Usagi, Naru, Makoto, and the actual Ami. It's all very creepy, but exciting! ALSO, you learn more about the past life of Minako pre-Dark kingdom invasion, which is amazingg. - Spoiler:
^^^ This is guy is named Ace, but he was reincarnated with the other senshi since he was a foot soldier of Venus. His name was Adonis, and he fell in love with Minako in her past life. /spoilers.
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Sailor Cosmos Founder Emeritus
Title : Soldier of the Cosmos Posts : 873 Join date : 2011-06-15 Age : 29 Location : Kansas
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 8th July 2011, 5:50 pm | |
| I think it was because Sailor V came before Sailor Moon. Ikuko and Kenji, Usagi's parents, are named and based off Naoko Takeuchi's parents in real life. She must have used them before, albeit without naming them, in Codename: Sailor V.
As for Hikaru, the Ami lookalike, Takeuchi must have liked the character design and incorporated it into Ami herself. As for the Umino lookalike... well, that's actually pretty funny. Takeuchi seems extremely fond of that design, as there are Umino lookalikes everywhere in Sailor Moon, like Mercuius (is that how you spell it?) from Ami-chan's First Love and a classmate of Chibiusa's. |
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Ella Pyramidal Crystal
Posts : 188 Join date : 2011-06-27 Age : 32 Location : East Coast USA
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 11th July 2011, 11:32 pm | |
| The characters are all definitely recycled. Even Usagi was technically originally just an Expy of Mina in a lot of ways, so it makes sense that it would've happened with other characters in Minako's life.
Also, Usa/Naru/Makochan/Ami aren't the only cameos <3 Motoki is a recurring character, Kunzite is a love interest in one chapter, and I think Rei shows up in one panel? And in one panel there's a couple faces in the crowd that people speculate to be Haruka and Michiru because they look like them and that chapter came out around the same time the Infinity Arc was being published. I absolutely love them, seeing familiar faces sprinkled around is part of what makes reading Sailor V so fun. |
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Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
Title : Queen of the Cat Kingdom Posts : 23236 Join date : 2011-06-23 Age : 36 Location : Lafayette, LA
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 11th July 2011, 11:37 pm | |
| Great thread! Makes me want to go back and find all the cameos... |
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Niveouslily Pyramidal Crystal
Title : All the wrong shades, on the right page Posts : 47 Join date : 2011-07-05 Age : 31 Location : Over the rainbow.
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 12th July 2011, 4:03 am | |
| She made the cameos after Sailor Moon was already published I think it`s cute and funny and somewhat nostalgic |
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KittyCMoon Pyramidal Crystal
Title : Kitty-Chan Posts : 2348 Join date : 2011-07-21 Age : 32 Location : Laredo
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 22nd July 2011, 12:41 pm | |
| Damn, now I am all eager beaver for the magna! |
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Hana-ko Pyramidal Crystal
Title : give a sailor yell! Posts : 341 Join date : 2011-06-30 Age : 34 Location : ME, USA.
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 20th August 2011, 8:59 pm | |
| It's definitely worth giving a try! <3 I read it on MissDream's site. |
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Elly Webmistress Emeritus
Posts : 520 Join date : 2011-07-03 Age : 36 Location : New York
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 23rd August 2011, 1:00 pm | |
| Even though this is supposed to go on my site update in a few weeks, I couldn't resist putting it in this thread really early because I don't think the clones and look-a-likes are pure coincidence. Exhibit A, friends: This is from Chapter 12 of Sailor V, page 12. On this page, Mina is explaining the plot of "Aurora Wedding" to Artemis (description included). Notice the ten girls in the background? They look pretty familiar, eh? ^___^ |
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Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
Title : Queen of the Cat Kingdom Posts : 23236 Join date : 2011-06-23 Age : 36 Location : Lafayette, LA
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 23rd August 2011, 3:32 pm | |
| Omg i can't believe i never noticed that one! How did i miss Chibi-Usa's hair?? Or maybe i noticed and forgot. XD |
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Hana-ko Pyramidal Crystal
Title : give a sailor yell! Posts : 341 Join date : 2011-06-30 Age : 34 Location : ME, USA.
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 23rd August 2011, 6:22 pm | |
| OMGOMGOMGOMG. ILY ELLY! <3 |
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Elly Webmistress Emeritus
Posts : 520 Join date : 2011-07-03 Age : 36 Location : New York
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 24th August 2011, 6:53 am | |
| Now the question is...who is the one sister who didn't get married, who is the star of Aurora Wedding, which senshi? From the picture that they give of the heroine, it doesn't look like any of our ten senshi to me...=\ |
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Almonds-s2 Pyramidal Crystal
Title : Formerly LunarPorcelainDoll Posts : 131 Join date : 2011-12-07 Age : 32 Location : York, New Brunswick, Canada
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 28th December 2011, 11:12 am | |
| With the Umino look-alike, or clone it could also be that he also attended the school Minako attended, and then transferred to Juuban Junior High. There isn't a lot of background information on his character so you never know, it could be a possibility. |
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Roro Lotus Crystal
Title : GC's Michiru Kaioh Posts : 1719 Join date : 2011-06-24 Age : 31 Location : Indianapolis, IN
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 29th December 2011, 7:52 pm | |
| - Hana-ko wrote:
- Okay, so I've recently gotten into Code name Sailor V, but while reading it I couldn't help but notice some similarities.
For one, I found that V's parents and Moon's parents look the same:
There's an Ami look-a-like [although the personalities somewhat differ]
And there's another Umino too. xD
So, are these merely coincidences, or did Naoko scrap these characters, edit their personality, and then use them for characters when she made Sailor Moon?
I actually started reading this and thought that Minako's friend was Ami. LOL I really didn't pay much attention to Minako's mother LOL and I haven't gotten to the Umino look a like yet. I really need to finish Sailor V. |
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SailorStarWind Pyramidal Crystal
Title : DEAD ACCOUNT left anime fandom to study Posts : 135 Join date : 2011-07-04
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 3rd January 2012, 8:55 pm | |
| They're similar because both Minako and Usagi are Takeuchi's MaruSues. And I say that respectfully- a Sue isn't always a bad thing, despite the baggage recent fandom has dumped on the term; most of the classic literature I've read has a Sue as a protag (Dr. Watson and Sherlock Holmes are based on the books' author and his med-school teacher, for instance.) SM is a redo of Sailor V, in a more marketable, team-based form (which is what her bosses requested: a team series is better for marketing, they said)- but in the end, it's still a wish-fulfilment series by the authoress. She just swtiched her attention from Venus to Moon. I recall that "Ikuko-mama and Kenji-papa are Naoko's parents! " from notes in the first release of the manga, and Usagi's brother is also based on Naoko's; it's possible that other characters in both series are also based on people she actually knew. And, again: Sues aren't a bad thing if they're done well. Most of the well-known classic characters, from Jim Hawkins to John Watson to most of H. G. Wells' protags are Sues. (As much as I love him, I'll concede that the absolute WORST for this is Jules Verne. If I read ONE MORE story of a tragic, sea-traveling, rich, long-lost-noble-blood, science-genius sailor fighting brave battles at sea... I'll scream. Nemo, Dick Sand, Professor Arronax, The Waif of the Cynthia + his crew of hangers-on; it just becomes too much. I feel like I know a little bit *too* much about what sort of life Verne wanted to lead... >_>; It's like walking in on someone...) I think that most of our "classics" wouldn't be so popular if the internet and fandom had existed back then... For that matter, I think that Sailor Moon- a classic shoujo manga- would not be so popular if people had shot it down as a Mary Sue series back when it came out. *SO*, when I say SM is a Sue series, I don't mean it in the usual "KILL IT WITH FIIIIIIIRE!" way that most people would say that. |
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Juu~ Lotus Crystal
Title : ~hachi Posts : 642 Join date : 2011-11-08 Age : 32 Location : Puerto Rico
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 1st February 2012, 7:19 am | |
| I noticed the look alikes on the spot. It was fun seeing them before they actualy met. I didn't really expected to see the rest of them so I kinda freaked when I first saw each of them |
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Yumi Senior Member Saturn Emeritus
Title : (∩`-´)⊃━☆゚.*・。magical weirdo, Original Saturn Posts : 9410 Join date : 2011-08-19 Age : 33 Location : Scranton, Pa
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 29th July 2012, 10:12 am | |
| I have also just begun reading Code Name Sailor V and couldn't help noticing similarities. I noticed this one that I didn't see a photo posted here yet. Pluto? @_@ |
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Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
Title : Queen of the Cat Kingdom Posts : 23236 Join date : 2011-06-23 Age : 36 Location : Lafayette, LA
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 29th July 2012, 10:16 am | |
| I would say the closest she looks to is Rei, ifyou ask me. but personality wise, i'm not sure who to compare her to. |
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Yumi Senior Member Saturn Emeritus
Title : (∩`-´)⊃━☆゚.*・。magical weirdo, Original Saturn Posts : 9410 Join date : 2011-08-19 Age : 33 Location : Scranton, Pa
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 29th July 2012, 10:18 am | |
| Oh really? I The look itself struck me as a Pluto. I think the top panel is what made me think that. I haven't read past here I just had to post this first <3 |
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Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
Title : Queen of the Cat Kingdom Posts : 23236 Join date : 2011-06-23 Age : 36 Location : Lafayette, LA
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 29th July 2012, 10:21 am | |
| Oh, not to me at all. Pluto is darker skinned, not as big eyes, more mature looking, and that woman is supposed to be an adult too. xD |
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Yumi Senior Member Saturn Emeritus
Title : (∩`-´)⊃━☆゚.*・。magical weirdo, Original Saturn Posts : 9410 Join date : 2011-08-19 Age : 33 Location : Scranton, Pa
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 29th July 2012, 10:23 am | |
| May I add I never got that far in the manga? I know in the anime she is darker and such.... But I think my mind is broken to automatically think Pluto :3 |
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Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
Title : Queen of the Cat Kingdom Posts : 23236 Join date : 2011-06-23 Age : 36 Location : Lafayette, LA
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 29th July 2012, 10:24 am | |
| Well i mean...you've at least seen pictures of manga Pluto? XD |
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Yumi Senior Member Saturn Emeritus
Title : (∩`-´)⊃━☆゚.*・。magical weirdo, Original Saturn Posts : 9410 Join date : 2011-08-19 Age : 33 Location : Scranton, Pa
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 29th July 2012, 10:26 am | |
| Barely, but yes XD <- she looks like this |
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ToriJ Lotus Crystal
Posts : 1777 Join date : 2013-03-01 Age : 34 Location : Kansas City, KS
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 8th March 2013, 12:03 pm | |
| I'll definitely be keeping a look out for the cameos and lookalikes as I read through it. The only one that really stuck out to me was the Umino's lookalike because of the glasses. I thought it was him at first until Minako explained his name was Amano. |
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Houyou no Senshi Lotus Crystal
Posts : 4565 Join date : 2011-12-12
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 8th March 2013, 2:32 pm | |
| Umino and Amano are punny together. Also Sorano.
So Naoko is probably doing it all on purpose |
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SailorRubyStar Pyramidal Crystal
Title : Book Addict of Fictional Books Posts : 273 Join date : 2013-07-31 Age : 21 Location : The Secret Library of the Galaxy Cauldron
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 20th August 2013, 6:41 pm | |
| Is this thread dying? I don't like that........ |
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Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
Title : Queen of the Cat Kingdom Posts : 23236 Join date : 2011-06-23 Age : 36 Location : Lafayette, LA
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 21st August 2013, 11:15 am | |
| Feel free to contribute to it, but i think most answers were covered which is why no one has posted in quite some time. ^^ |
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Princess Sailor Mai Pyramidal Crystal
Title : Galaxy Cauldron's Official Princess Inspirit! Posts : 402 Join date : 2015-11-17 Age : 34 Location : In the middle of nowhere between part-time work and needing a full-time career
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 28th November 2015, 7:09 pm | |
| I noticed that too! But then Naoko based her characters on people in her real life, so it shouldn't be that much of a surprise even though it is. |
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Cosmos-Hime Moderator
Title : ミ☆ GC's official Sailor Cosmos! ミ☆ Posts : 12832 Join date : 2014-11-14 Age : 31 Location : ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
| Subject: Re: Theory: Clones, Look-a-likes, or pure coincidence? 28th November 2015, 7:19 pm | |
| I think it's more of an art style thing, to be entirely honest. Each artist has their own ways of drawing, so of course her works and characters would look similar. Heck, her book Miss Rain has the main protagonist literally looking like ami 100%. |
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