Houyou no Senshi Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: DEBATE: Was Serenity and Endymion's Love Justified? 28th September 2012, 3:44 am | |
| - EurAsianGirl wrote:
- Lady Tuxedo wrote:
- But I feel like that just goes back to what I said earlier; it was only bad because people dubbed it that way. You can pretty much use this argument along with other relationships people don't like (i.e. gay relationships, interacial relationships). Cause people are weird. People just dub things bad because of them being different. I mean it makes me wonder, was there a good reason why it was forbidden for moon people and earth people to meet and have interactions?
I kind of see it as destruction because other people caused the destruction. Serenity and Endymion didn't actively cause destruction personally.
(genuine questions. I like that you are so versed in like all the Sailor Moon versions ) Exactly this! Its intolerance and prejudice at its worst, and that should never be tolerated. Endymion and Serenity were completely in the right by falling in love and not caring what planet the other was from. If people couldn't deal with that, that was just their own bigotry talking. One should never, ever, ever say that the bigots are in the right ever or follow what they say because its just giving them power.
Wow, now that I think of it, Sailor Moon is an excellent commentary on racism and has a lot of themes dealing with that subject! Was Naoko trying to make a point about the dangers of it? If so, good job! This is a bit of speculation, we have no realevidence for the reasoning between the Earth and Moon Kingdoms, other than hints from Another Story that it was actually a political move on the part of the Earth Kingdom after much consideration but even then its a bit vague. The way characters put it, it would seem that its just a "law of the universe", in line with Pluto and her taboos. Even if intolerance and prejudice exist, do two civilizations deserve to be destroyed because two people saw fit to go against the status quo? I don't think this is about bigots being "right". I do think the above people are right, Ms. Takeuchi was probably using it as a backdrop for a tragic destined romance, we do not know the reasons for segregation. For all we know it had nothing to do with personal emotion on either of the two Kingdoms. But, did you guys realise, that if the Earth Kingdom is a monarchy, and Prince Endymion is fighting the status quo. He can't possibly have been the highest power in his Kingdom, so he must have had a Father or Mother who was King or Queen. *gasp* (wait you mean a King of the Earth appears in Another Story too and this thread is actually a secret advertisement for Another Story all along? No way!) |
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Title : Queen of the Cat Kingdom Posts : 23236 Join date : 2011-06-23 Age : 36 Location : Lafayette, LA
| Subject: Re: DEBATE: Was Serenity and Endymion's Love Justified? 28th September 2012, 9:06 am | |
| - Houyou no Senshi wrote:
- (wait you mean a King of the Earth appears in Another Story too and this thread is actually a secret advertisement for Another Story all along? No way!)
LOL. I <3 you! |
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nm___i3bfc Lotus Crystal
Title : GC's Official Sailor Kakyuu Posts : 763 Join date : 2018-09-22 Age : 28
| Subject: Re: DEBATE: Was Serenity and Endymion's Love Justified? 14th November 2018, 3:37 pm | |
| Since we're discussing the musicals, I kind of have to say that I am more sympathetic towards the Earth Kingdom after watching those. From the reader's perspective, since everything resulted in the happy endings it would seem that their romance was not really bad in the end, but the characters wouldn't have known that. - long section:
Queen Serenity does mention in one of the musicals that she wished that their love could bring peace and union between the two kingdoms, but it was a remark that never seemed to be conveyed to her counterparts in the Earth Kingdom. Neither did the two kingdoms seem to have much fraternization with each other, other than the indirect sort of cordial descriptions they said of the other, which would increase the suspicion of those that didn't know about secret love or secret plans. The jealousy and betrayal felt by Beryl and the Shitennou was a motivation, certainly, but they seemed much more mature than Princess Serenity, and Prince Endymion skipping off to meet a far away Moon princess, rather than, say, attend to his own kingdom, probably didn't make them more sympathetic. Since they probably didn't know about any plans to unite the two in peace, it could seem like, as I think one of the Shitennou say in the musicals, that Princess Serenity had magically charmed Prince Endymion or something like that, which could make an interesting parallel to the Earth Kingdom's relationship with Metalia. With intolerance of unknown others added to the mix, it's not too difficult to see them coming under the sway of Metalia's malicious magic. Honor killings were a thing in history, so that could've been additional motivation for their violent response. To add to the already previously mentioned, the Senshi, I think, would also be worried if Princess Serenity ran off with Prince Endymion, if especially they didn't know whether it was for some planned peace. In Stars they were overly suspicious of the Starlights, and the Starlights actually had helped them in battle.
So I think that as the story concluded happily, it was probably a justified "miracle romance", but in many other Asian stories deity-sort-figures violating injunctions against fraternizing with people have endings of misfortune, so while their relationship, considering their positions, was probably irresponsible, after the events of the story we could probably say it was okay (minus three? destroyed kingdoms or so). |
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nm___i3bfc Lotus Crystal
Title : GC's Official Sailor Kakyuu Posts : 763 Join date : 2018-09-22 Age : 28
| Subject: Re: DEBATE: Was Serenity and Endymion's Love Justified? 14th November 2018, 3:41 pm | |
| Of course I should add that I don't think that they should be forbidden from falling in love with each other because they are from different kingdoms, or because of some rules unjustified, but since they are presumably only heirs to their respective kingdoms they could have exercised a bit more care. |
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