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PostSubject: Mystery's PGSM Rewatch!   Mystery's PGSM Rewatch! I_icon_minitime25th May 2017, 1:55 am

So it's been SO LONG since I originally watched the PGSM series so I thought I'd give it another watch! And this time I'm posting a thread of commentary that no one asked for! Yaaayyy!!! Mystery's PGSM Rewatch! 1695130124

Also just a fair warning that I'll be talking about the events of each episode as I watch them so if you haven't seen the show yet beware of spoilers! I'll post my thoughts on each episode under a spoiler tag so you don't stumble upon it but after that it's on you! xD

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery's PGSM Rewatch!   Mystery's PGSM Rewatch! I_icon_minitime25th May 2017, 6:46 pm

Yaaay I love all the PGSM rewatch commentary threads people make. xD On the "Phantom" translation, it depends on which subtitles you are watching. Everyone chooses to translation maboroshi no ginzuishou a little differently. For example, for Sea of Serenity's subs, we translate it as the Illusionary Silver Crystal.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery's PGSM Rewatch!   Mystery's PGSM Rewatch! I_icon_minitime1st June 2017, 2:12 am

Is there like, a solid translation for the Crystal's name? Or is it more one of those names that is up to interpretation because it can mean things in different contexts?

Also, I got my comments for episodes 2-4 up! I binged a little bit tonight  Mystery's PGSM Rewatch! 1955989781
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery's PGSM Rewatch!   Mystery's PGSM Rewatch! I_icon_minitime1st June 2017, 10:20 am

I'll have to read your comments for Acts 2-4 after work, but I tried looking for this nice tumblr post that explained Maboroshi and couldn't find it. Sad  I recall a lot of the different translations are just due to translator preference and what they feel portrays the meaning of Maboroshi the best. There was once a GC thread on it, maybe that has the same info from the tumblr post. ^_^

Edit: BLESS MY SELF. I found the thread and I copied/pasted that tumblr post I was talking about to it! So it's not lost foreverrr ;-; This was the original link but it no longer works: http://galaxycosmos.tumblr.com/post/62882808594/sailor-moon-and-japan-maboroshi

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Maboroshi appears in Sailor Moon in the phrase “maboroshi no ginzuishou” (幻の which is usually translated as “mystical silver crystal” though many variants exist. “Ginzuishou” is hard to translate as anything but “Silver Crystal” but “maboroshi” has a bit more license.

Maboroshi on its own is a noun which means something along the lines of “illusion, phantom or dream”, but with the “no” it becomes a descriptive term. Within Sailor Moon, the understanding is basically that the Silver Crystal possesses “maboroshi” qualities. that is to say it is something so fantastic, rare and mysterious that its very existence has come into question. Like a fantasy. I think that is the clearest understanding of the word I can personally give for its use in the series. Understanding must ALWAYS come before translation, a competent translator is one whose understanding stage requires minimal time. The Silver Crystal, in other words is something unbelievable, however it is a physical object so it clearly exists, so it seems “maboroshi” is being used almost metaphorically and this opens a wide spectrum of possible translations. A good translation is one that will bring the understanding of the word into another language, a bad translation is one that will look at a dictionary with no understanding of how its being used.

Various translations may be from "Phantom Silver Crystal", personally I do not favour this, the word “phantom” has other connotations in English that are not there in the Japanese and can misrepresent the idea, but I would not regard it as incorrect. There is also an argument involving Phantom Crystals. Kodansha used “Legendary Silver Crystal” to much moaning and whining from some fans because “legendary” does not appear in the dictionary for “maboroshino”, this is unjustified. The English word “legendary” and the Japanese phrase “maboroshino” both fit the criteria of the idea in this context so there is nothing wrong with this translation. Legendary certainly implies something wonderfully strange and rarely seen. The most common I believe is "Mystical Silver Crystal" which again I have little problem with. Personally I prefer "Illusionary Silver Crystal" since after all, the villains are constantly pursuing the Silver Crystal which seems to be ever-elusive, illusionary also matches the dreamlike fantasy nature of the Silver Crystal and has a grand sound to it as “maboroshino” does. Come to think about it "Phantasmic Silver Crystal" also has a nice ring to it.

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Ahhh ok! This is very helpful thanks  Mystery's PGSM Rewatch! 1955989781
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