a thought that popped into my head during the villian's vacation roleplay event! this is a debate to decide who or what actually caused the end of the Silver Millennium.

Was it Queen Nehelenia, who cursed the baby Princess Serenity to never see her throne before being sealed in a mirror?



Or was it Beryl, the spurned woman who was given power by Metallia and pushed the Earth into an uprising against the Moon?



i rather think it was Nehelenia, who came along many years before Beryl ever did. maybe it was even her curse that weakened whatever seal might have been on Metallia that allowed her to become free from the Sun.

I quite like the idea of the curse myself, but these also somewhat disproves it:





According to Neptune, it was destiny, which meant it would have happened either way.

true....but destiny is probably more a path than a cause. it could have been destiny for the Moon Kingdom to fall to Nehelenia's curse. just like it might have been Serenity and Endymion's destiny to die...but destiny didn't swoop down to do it, Beryl's blade did.

..or maybe destiny takes the shape of stuff/people....agggh my head! XD

I think it was Nehelenia's Maleficent curse thing through Beryl.

I think I like the idea of a triple-pronged strike myself. The Silver Millennium could not have lasted forever because something always inevitably happens to cause the downfall of a Utopia, thus it was destined to fall. Nehelenia started it, and Beryl and Metallia finished it.

It's rarely one thing that brings down a nation; more often than not, it's a chain of events that just keeps building and building and building, until you get the proverbial straw and camel's back that ends everything.

I was going to say well it was Sailor Saturn who ended it all but she only had to do it cause basically it got so bad it awakened her. I think since every main villain had some form of Chaos within them, you could say it was technically Chaos that started and ended it. I had a point iw as going with this but i got distracted and lost it...so...there! XD

Sailor Uranus wrote:

completely off topic but WOAH MAN I WANT TO KNOW WHAT ELSE HAPPENED. THE 'TRAGEDIES KEPT HAPPENING... ONE AFTER ANOTHER' WHAT WERE THE OTHERS I WANT TO KNOW

I always thought Saturn meant the two main tragedies; Nehalania's curse and metallia's awaking and corruption of Earth. It'd be interesting if there were more though. Great now I can't stop thinking of what else could have possibly happened now my brain won't stop

I would totally say Saturn because well she was the one who destroyed everything in the end.

Villain wise I would say Beryl. A curse can be interpreted in many many ways, can also be noting more than a prophecy (and prophecies can end up not happening) or can also be broken. It just happened that the queen's curse actually became true, but it never will be said whether or not it had a real incident on everything (it scarred the crap out of everyone though so this paranoia could have formed something else). A curse can also fade with time, so who knows.

It's hard however to interpret in any other way what happened with Beryl. Killing, slaughter, Metallia's powers. She totally brought down a kingdom with violence and she was happy to do it.

Her act was quite final.

So was Saturn's.

In the end unless someone ask the writer the question, we probably won't know for sure who did what except for Saturn. The queen could have kicked the dominos, Beryl would have burned them and then Saturn would have finished the job like the three steps tragedy that was discussed above.

Interesting topic. I don't have screen shots to go with it but remember how they talked about how the gods had forbidden the people of the moon to get involved with the people of the Earth? What gods? Why? Was it a warning because P. Serenity's involvement would inevitably reveal the power of the Moon kingdom to people like Beryl? Was the downfall the gods' punishment for defying them? Maybe they weakened the seal. There's a ton of Greek and Roman references so I always thought it was those gods. They're always depicted as chaotic beings so maybe Chaos influenced them to break the seal. Hell maybe their chaotic natures birthed Chaos.

Sailor Mercury wrote:

I quite like the idea of the curse myself, but these also somewhat disproves it:





According to Neptune, it was destiny, which meant it would have happened either way.

BUT, Nehellenia cursing Serenity could also be because of destiny, if you know what i'm saying.

I do believe Nehellenia's curse did start a chain reaction of events which did eventually lead to the fall of the Moon Kingdom. I don't think though that Serenity would have suffered a terrible fate either way. Sure other events could have happened that would have triggered the attack but if you really think about it, in some alternate universe, The Moon Kingdom was never destroyed and the Sailor Senshi never re-incarnated. What i'm saying is that just because something happens in one timeline doesn't mean the same thing will happen in all of them.

It could be like in My Little Pony where even though becoming a Princess was Twilight's destiny, without the Sonic Rainboom she would have never passed her magic school entrance exam. Most of the alternating timelines would be dystopian or apocalyptic because without the Elements of Harmony the villains would take over or lay waste to Equestria.

This has been my soap box speech of the day

I would Nehelenia started the downfall with her curse and Beryl took it up, unknowingly of course.

Considering that both Metalia and Nehellenia are both incarnations of Chaos, one could say Chaos ended it through both of them. Nehellenia created the curse, and Metallia, through Beryl, initiated it.