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Lotus Crystal

found it here

Coolest picture of Jadeite!! I think it's his PGSM outfit? Or is it from a myu?

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Now thats a piece of art! Oh and I think the outfit is from PGSM too (that thing on his shoulder appeared only in pgsm, right?) Inner x Shitennou appreciation thread - Page 2 868675979

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Lotus Crystal

It is!! I looked it up. =)

Lotus Crystal

personally enjoy the pairings...cause they can have love AND guard their important people! anyway, found this in my inbox on DA, and figured people here would really like to see them.^^ Makoto and Nephlite have not been done yet...

Pictures:

Lotus Crystal

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Those are too cute! Please post Nephrite and Mako when those are made please! :3

Lotus Crystal

I was just thinking; Where's Jupi and Nephrite? They are really gorgeous though.

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oh my god

Lotus Crystal

Makoto and Nephrite are done! i added them to my previous post to keep the pictures all together. i think Mako and Neph are my favorite now...^^

Lotus Crystal

Oh Nephrite and Jupi look awesome!!

Lotus Crystal

They are gorgeous. I love the Rei and Jadeite one

Lotus Crystal

Mako and Neph are my favorite as well! :3

Lotus Crystal

My second fav for those pics Crystal posted has to be Zoi/Ami

Lotus Crystal

Mine as well! ♥♥♥

Lotus Crystal

So I found this lovely gem today. It's in defense of the senshi x shittennou pairing. I'm going to quote part of the article then link you guys to where I found it. This person has reposted it with credit to the original person on their blog.

Quote :

Pairing: Sailor Senshi x Shitennou
Fandom: Sailor Moon
Reasons for being hated: Promotes queer erasure since Mars is widely interpreted as asexual and because Zoisite and Kunzite are gay in the anime, promotes misogyny and heteronormativity with assuming all the Senshi would fall in love with men (and due to Jadeite being misogynist in the anime) , Takeuchi didn’t get to implement the idea in the actual manga, Takeuchi is seen as cissexist for even suggesting the idea.
*Hope I did this right*
So to be honest one of my biggest ships is that of the Senshi x Shitennou, and one of the reasons why is that it’s one of the few pairings where I think it makes perfect sense where a group of matches would happen given their roles and obligations, not only from a writing stand point but from a historic stand point as well. But first, let us see if we can defend this thing and, give a short, quick, history lesson.
Okay so, let’s see here, regarding the manga we have a band of five girls that represent the same five character tropes of a super sentai group, which, in reality, Sailor moon is. While it has a great deal of magical girl qualities, it doesn’t follow the same ideas or tropes/themes that earlier magical girl shows and mangas had. In Sailor Moon’s (and subsequently Sailor V’s) stories we have the Brainy sentai (Ami in blue), the strength one (Makoto in green), the leader and the giggly one (Minako in Yellow), the new one and optimistic one (Usagi in well every color) and the stoic and calm one (Rei in red).

Quote :: “Sailor Moon creator Naoko Takeuchi said her ultimate goal was to “make a story like the Power Rangers series–a girls’ version–where the warriors go fighting upon the instructions from a Central Command Post. It didn’t turn out that way, though. Of course, from this concept came Sailor Moon. I had wanted to use five girls as the fighting warriors.” –The mary sue , sailor Moon history part 1.

Above states what some of the problems with this pairing is, the problem with these statements is the fact that they all come from a very lopsided view of the series, or a very narrow inclusion into the world of Sailor Moon. Much like the 40 year old Kamen Rider Series, and the 39 year old Super Sentai series, Sailor Moon has many incarnations and allows for various alterative takes on the series. Why is this important you may wonder? Well to be honest it becomes important for a few good reasons.
First, with all series there is usually some form of cannon that has been established through all the series that remains unchangeable. In the case of Sailor moon it’s that Usagi will always be the princess, there will always be the main nine senshi (or scouts) and respectively they will always be reborn in some way or another. They will pretty much always have transformative abilities and be seen as warriors that fight against any dark threats that may incur upon their new lives and home world of Earth.
Secondly, the idea of the alternate take on a series allows for a broadening of the world and also a new perspective. In the case of the series Transformers (who have been around for 30 years now) various incarnations of the characters gives both old and new fans alike the ability to pick and chose characters and story elements that they like and utilize them in ways that define the character in their mind.
Third, by allowing for an alternate take on the series there’s a freshness that can be seen and also creates, in some cases, a mirror or a parallel to the first incarnation of the story. Both Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood and Dragon Ball Z: Kai create this parallel as both series cover events that occur specifically in the manga and don’t deviate much from the story line.
Lastly, by having these additional series (or musicals in the case of Sailor Moon) it forces the viewer to expand how they view the series and the possibilities within the world that they are being allowed in. Much like the second one this idea seeks to push the viewer in a new direction and make their views of the characters that they have formed one opinion upon see it in a new and different way. This gives the writer a chance, in some cases if they are working with the creation of the alternate series, to dig into sections of the story that they may not have had the pleasure of doing before, or expandingroles, traits and stories that they couldn’t before.

So understanding that there is more than one take on a series allows for a more comprehensive enjoyment of the show, and gives a chance to delve deeper into the characters and their roles. Things that a creator can’t do on their first go around.
With that in mind, let’s take a look at these choices.

You can read the full article here: click me, I'm a link!

She also has some pretty amazing character analysis of Jadeite the Knight of Patience and Harmony and Nephrite the Knight of Intelligence and Comfort. I found both of these to be pretty interesting.

Does anyone have any thoughts on any of the articles?

Lotus Crystal

That first one is a really well done rebuttal of some common arguments I've seen. Quite a few people seem to use one version as their "canon", and then assume any other version is contradicting it somehow, when in reality they aren't. They all exist in their own bubbles of canon. And that analysis on Rei did leave me thinking. Technically, miko don't have to take any chastity vows, and shrine priest and priestesses can marry. Rei took that vow for her own reasons, not because of her faith. And if she were asexual, why would she bother making that vow in the first place if she had no plans on having a relationship anyway? It's very debatable. I personally think she's just super devoted to being a senshi, similar to how Minako keeps putting her love life aside for her duty. XD

And yeah, there's a ton of sentai tropes in Sailor Moon, with the whole five man group thing, and it makes logical sense story wise to pair up with Endymion's guards, or at least be friendly with them.

Lotus Crystal

Not only that Rei did fall in love once. Naoko wrote a short story about that. Then again asexuals can fall in love. Also Rei took that vow because of her duties not her sexuality. It's like women who becomes nuns. But this is all debatable. I feel like this kind of thing is up to viewer. Razz

I really like reading these articles. It kills me to see people bashing these couples. No one seem to care about these pairings until Crystal came along. I believe AmiXZoisite was canon in a musical? I could be wrong. I think the problem is that Crystal made these pairings unbelievable. I won't go into too much detail because of spoilers. Maybe people would have embraced it better if the writers took the time to build these pairings. Also just because these parings are canon in Crystal doesn't mean KuzitexZoisite isn't canon anymore. Each version of Sailor Moon is its own universe. Wink

As for the Jadeite and Nephrite articles. I enjoyed the Jadeite one greatly! It gave me a better insight on his character! I still need to read the Nephrite one. They are long. Also Addy the Nephrite link takes you to Jadeite's article.

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I like them, but I don't think they're believable. They're way too convenient. There are 4 pairings, and somehow they all fell in love with one person that weren't taken. No two people liked the same person and no one was left with no one who liked them. It doesn't make sense.

That said, I do still like them, I just handwave that for the most part. I won't say they make sense or logical or relatable, though. Now one part of that argument is that they might have been a political arrangement. Now that would actually make sense. Because it does feel contrived, and I would be able to more easily believe that this was a set up that they just eventually felt real feelings for the person they were set up with rather than it all happening on its own.

~~Dang now I want a SilMil RP where one of them gets set up with someone they can't stand and start falling for them.~~

Lotus Crystal

I can see how they work but I like how the author takes the most common arguments against it and dismantles it logically.

As for her character studies on Jadeite and Nephrite, I do have to agree on both of them.

I found it interesting in Nephrite profile she marks him as someone who has lost a love or had them taken away. It makes me feel like whoever it was ~~Jupiter~~ is still remembered by his heart, even though he can't remember it.

Jadeite's personality is a lot more expansive than I admit that I ever gave it thought to and it's given me a whole new appreciation for his character.

Lotus Crystal

got another image in my inbox on DA of Makoto and Nephrite, this time in a uh...Pride and Prejudice setting i believe. quite lovely!!

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Wow, that is amazing Smile

Lotus Crystal

Can I join this! For a while I didn't know that they could be or were cannon and I love them paired! I wish they could come back so the senshi would be happy!

Lotus Crystal

Princess Luna wrote:: Can I join this! For a while I didn't know that they could be or were cannon and I love them paired! I wish they could come back so the senshi would be happy!

There's no formal membership! Anyone who loves them can just post interesting pictures or anything they find Smile

Pyramidal Crystal

I 100% support this!!!! I absolutely ADORE Kunzite/Venus pairing!! BOTH are super serious about their duties toward their respective Prince/Princess.

Lotus Crystal

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Lotus Crystal

There's no formal membership so anyone is free to join Smile

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Addelyn wrote:

Quote :: Reasons for being hated: Promotes queer erasure since Mars is widely interpreted as asexual and because Zoisite and Kunzite are gay in the anime, promotes misogyny and heteronormativity with assuming all the Senshi would fall in love with men (and due to Jadeite being misogynist in the anime) , Takeuchi didn’t get to implement the idea in the actual manga, Takeuchi is seen as cissexist for even suggesting the idea.

I know that's^ kind of an old post but I really like these pairings so I feel compelled to defend them.
I don't understand any reason to call the existance of the ships "queer erasure". That's just offensive to Takeuchi. Zoisite and Kunzite were not originally said to be lovers in the manga which is the original source material.
These ships do not promote heteronormativity at all. Just because five out of the five inner senshi have relationships with men during the silver millennium doesn't mean that it promotes the idea that hetero relationships are the only relationships in existence. Also, there is evidence that some or all of the inner senshi could potentially be bi/bicurious (example: Rei x Minako, Usagi stalking Rei when they first meet, Usagi's confusion about Haruka, etc). Having only one canon lesbian couple (Haruka x Michiru) was already pretty progressive for the early 90s.
Side note: when they aren't under the Dark Kingdom's control, the Shitennou are loyal and kind. So the Inner Senshi x Shitennou pairings don't promote misogyny because they aren't actually misogynists.