| | Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? | |
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Vaas Rutten Star Seed
Posts : 127 Join date : 2013-01-16
| Subject: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 16th January 2013, 8:02 pm | |
| I have aways wondered this in the anime. With the exception of Setsuna, weren't the Outers on Earth just like the Inners durng the ecological disaster? What do you think happened to them? My best guess is that they went back to protecting the outer solar system from outside invaders. I would like to see what others think about this. |
| | | Houyou no Senshi Lotus Crystal
Posts : 4565 Join date : 2011-12-12
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 19th January 2013, 10:03 pm | |
| It's probably just because Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune had not been created as characters in the manga or anime during the arc where we see Crystal Tokyo, it's also notable that the four Guardian Soldiers are in their original outfits rather than a later form, Diana is also completely absent from Sailor Moon R despite appearing in the Black Moon arc of the manga, so we don't see future Luna or Artemis either in the anime. The best we can do is headcanon and fill in the gaps. The problem is during the Infinity arc of the manga, the traditionally distant Uranus and Neptune changed their mission to fight alongside Sailor Moon rather than fighting from afar, so they actually should have been in Crystal Tokyo if we do not think anything changed in that time. The anime, however, continues to separate Uranus and Neptune from the main cast, so its safe to assume they're elsewhere doing their own thing but its really up to your imagination. The musicals include future-Uranus, Neptune, Pluto and even Saturn in this storyline, they are apparently are in Crystal Tokyo and unite to help against the Black Moon Clan. So there is at least one canon who consider them currently in Crystal Tokyo . |
| | | Aquila Pyramidal Crystal
Title : oscillating whooshing sound Posts : 450 Join date : 2012-12-22 Age : 26 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 19th January 2013, 10:56 pm | |
| Yeah, Naoko apparently never thought her series would go past the first arc, only due to popular demand did she continue. Pretty interesting, but I always thought that the outers were protecting Serenity from their usual points on their planets. I mean, almost every time the story goes to Crystal Tokyo there is some new enemy. It's probable the were providing the first line of defence during the crisis. And since the enemy made it to Earth, they were probably overcome ( ) |
| | | Houyou no Senshi Lotus Crystal
Posts : 4565 Join date : 2011-12-12
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 19th January 2013, 11:26 pm | |
| I think so too, though technically as the Black Moon Clan are invaders from within the Solar System, it is not under the jurisdiction of Uranus, Neptune or Pluto to actually have to interfere with that particular enemy. |
| | | Momma Jupi Senior Member Jupiter Emeritus
Title : Rebecca Freckleton Posts : 3641 Join date : 2011-06-27 Age : 38 Location : NY
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 20th January 2013, 4:46 pm | |
| What they said. I think sometimes it just boils down to the simple fact that Naoko had not thought up certain storylines or characters and discrepancies will occur for that reason alone. |
| | | Chmia Lotus Crystal
Title : Leg Lamp Power, Make Up! Posts : 8262 Join date : 2011-10-01 Age : 35 Location : San Antonio, Texas
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 20th January 2013, 5:07 pm | |
| Oh, but it is so much more fun to think of headcanon or fanon to account for the discrepancies rather than writing it off as the cause of the author. ^.^ |
| | | Aquila Pyramidal Crystal
Title : oscillating whooshing sound Posts : 450 Join date : 2012-12-22 Age : 26 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 20th January 2013, 5:30 pm | |
| Soo then, what is everyone's head canon? ^^ |
| | | Addelyn Lotus Crystal
Title : GC's Official Nephrite Posts : 8024 Join date : 2012-08-04 Age : 34 Location : Canada
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 20th January 2013, 6:56 pm | |
| Yes, but the inner senshi protect Usagi. I believe that the Outers, not only defend anything coming into the system, but try and get ride of major threats within the system as well before they get to Usagi. |
| | | SeleneHime Pyramidal Crystal
Title : Previously: Sailor Pluto Posts : 2880 Join date : 2011-08-21 Age : 29 Location : Texas, USA
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 20th January 2013, 7:07 pm | |
| - Houyou no Senshi wrote:
- I think so too, though technically as the Black Moon Clan are invaders from within the Solar System, it is not under the jurisdiction of Uranus, Neptune or Pluto to actually have to interfere with that particular enemy.
You took the words out of my mouth, Houyou. ^^ |
| | | Vaas Rutten Star Seed
Posts : 127 Join date : 2013-01-16
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 20th January 2013, 8:46 pm | |
| I didn't really think about it like that, especially how the inner's fuku isn't upgraded in the future. I wonder if this will be addressed in the new Sailor Moon though I have to admit, a part of me likes to keep wondering where the outers are since they are so mysterious. |
| | | Silence Wall Star Seed
Posts : 2586 Join date : 2013-05-11 Age : 30
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 29th July 2013, 12:27 pm | |
| Even though the role of the Outer Senshi is to protect against invaders from different galaxies, I always felt that they would have influence and authority as far as what went on in Crystal Tokyo, although the Inner senshi served as the guardians. It's already been brought up that the Outers (barring Pluto) appeared after Season R so there wasn't a good time to talk about their involvement in Crystal Tokyo. Perhaps the Outers had a secondary role compared to the Inners.
What I want to know is what Princess Saturn's role was. If Saturn was awakened solely to lay ruin to Crystal Tokyo, then what exactly did the planet Saturn serve as a purpose? |
| | | The author of this message was banned from the forum - See the message | Kyasariin Star Seed
Posts : 62 Join date : 2011-09-26 Age : 29 Location : Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 30th July 2013, 5:49 am | |
| I wondered this too when I was watching. After much thought and debate, my boyfriend and I came to the conclusion that the Outers were on vacation at that time. (Except Pluto, she's guarding the door.) |
| | | ToriJ Lotus Crystal
Posts : 1777 Join date : 2013-03-01 Age : 34 Location : Kansas City, KS
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 30th July 2013, 7:59 am | |
| They're the navy making sure dangerous sea creatures don't make it to the island. |
| | | Crystalsetsuna Lotus Crystal
Title : The Crazy Beardie Lady. Official GC Princess Serenity Posts : 3648 Join date : 2012-06-08 Age : 33 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 30th July 2013, 8:04 am | |
| maybe the Outer's didn't show up because Pluto kept them away or sent them on a wild goose chase, knowing the inner's hadn't met the outers yet, so had to prevent the timestream from getting messed up.
after all, how weird would it have been if when uranus and neptune showed up, Usagi instantly blurted out "Haruka, Michiru!" and glomped them? kinda ruin the drama a bit. XD |
| | | Guardian Zero Star Seed
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| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 2nd August 2013, 8:28 pm | |
| It's also weird how in the StarS arc of the manga, before Chibi Moon goes back to the past, we see the inners and Pluto passed out within the Crystal Palace, but no sign of Neptune, Uranus or Saturn.
Also I have no idea why they were in their "super" forms. If their past selves had reached the "eternal" phase, how come the future senshi were still "super"? |
| | | sunyeons Lotus Crystal
Title : that one j-idol and k-pop fangirl. Posts : 938 Join date : 2013-08-12 Location : pink ocean
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 16th August 2013, 11:37 pm | |
| and it still makes me doubt why the inner and outer senshi didn't appear in their eternal forms during that part, since technically they're in the future. but wouldn't that scene have some sort of reference to the dark moon arc? |
| | | nerf-or-nothing Star Seed
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| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 20th August 2013, 10:04 am | |
| I think this was already mentioned, but it's probably like a magical roadblock so the girls don't see too much of their future. It's the difference of learning where your future is leading verses knowing how your future got there. When they first went to the future, saw themselves as their first transformation. Their original fukus. This is what they saw when they went the first time, nearly 1000 years in the future... but in less than a year they upgraded to super and than to Eternal. It's like getting to foresee your own death, you know it's going to happen, but you don't know how. If you knew how, it wouldn't happen. Same concept. That also explains why we don't see Uranus, Neptune or Sailor Saturn. If they couldn't learn of their upgrades, to ensure those upgrades could happen (Since they seemed to depend on key reasons of enlightenment, something they had to go through to advance. Something that made them stronger.) then it goes to say that they weren't ready to meet the others because if they knew, it could change the course of time and events would happen much differently. Butterfly effect. Relationships like theirs need to grow naturally, it's they've bonded over hardships. They've learned. Their meeting the outers is also what helped them grow to Supers in the manga. They already met Pluto, so that's why she's always seen. HEADCANON for my reasonings on where they exactly were. - Spoiler:
Headcanon: The senshi also didn't learn of their castles until later in the series. Those castles still stood by their home planets even in the present, so I believe they are still there in Crystal Tokyo. The senshi are now rulers of their own kingdoms. With long lifespans, it's inevitable that the world would quickly become over populated. The people of the earth destroyed the people of the Silver Millennium, and their ancestors would repopulate it. - Spoiler:
Side Headcanon to that canon: Those that moved to the other planets would have children, and those children would be true Martian's, Mercurian's, etc.
Say, in the past each planet's people have a talent, like vegeta-sei in dragonball Z. Every Saiyjin was strong and had Ki, but not every Saiyin could reach Super status.
Each planet has a people that are gifted uniquely to the planet but just because they are special, doesn't mean they can become Senshi.
Side-Head Canon within Side Headcanon lol: Due to the conversation between Lead Crow, Phobos and Deimos, and Chibiusa's existence as a Sailor Senshi, incredible souls, people, can attain the title of senshi.
Typically older souls that have lived many lives before and it's like the evolution of the souls before they've done something miraculous enough to be granted a planet/asteroid/moon.
I say this because of the fact that I don't believe it's passed down from each generation onward. I think that, since we already know everything in the universe dies and goes to the Galaxy Cordon until their starseeds(Souls) are recycled and reborn.
I do not believe Queen Serenity was a Sailor Senshi but there is a twist to that. (Even though I love fanart of that that^^ and of fan-senshi mama senshi lol).
I think Chibiusa's soul had been recycled many times, until she did something miraculous. She fought the evil within her and became enlightened, became a senshi with the event of Pluto's death cleansing her of the brainwashing.
The conversation between Lead Crow, Phobos and Deimos made me believe that the planet Coronis had traits of deeply spiritual people, intelligent people and people with foresight which is likely what Coronis's powers are based on. Which is why Sailor Mars was viewed as such a powerful being, and why Deimos and Phobos denoted their lives to the princess of Mars. She shares all the same traits as their people but she also possesses more, she has powers over the element of fire.
Which is why I think the Senshi, and not just Sailor Moon, will always be viewed as the most powerful group of Senshi ever to have lived, because they are all very powerful. Their abilities aren't just elemental but they have other gists. Ami's intelligence, Uranus's speed, Saturn, her big bang attack, apocalyptic powers and the Silence Wall, the power to protect and etc.
The convo between Phobos and Deimos with Lead Crow was about how they were training under Sailor Coronis. They aren't senshi, Lead Crow stole her senshi crystal from Sailor Coronis. Someone had once told me they thought they were training to become Sailor Senshi.
They weren't senshi, that's for sure, otherwise Lead Crow wouldn't have needed to steal a senshi crystal.
But perhaps, because I believe Coronis was a planet with ancient knowledge, spiritual connections and foresight, they knew that some souls can attain Senshi status, and it became a religion on their planet. Sailor Coronis would be the "Goddess" a higher being, with disciples, priestesses that would study under her in order to enlighten their souls and rise them to a higher level of being like herself and that's why they were training.
Now to the reason I stated all that topic unrelated stuff, because this head canon is why I think the outers weren't their. Obviously they remember that in the past, the inners had gone to the future. The Outer's were sent away. Wanting desperately to help but like in the original Silver Millennium, they had other duties. They probably were protecting the other planets from any attacks by Nemesis. Nemesis probably focused the brunt of it's attacks on Crystal Tokyo and probably only on that side of the planet Earth. It was after all because Death Phantom's soul had tainted the planet and they became one. It was a personal vendetta against the woman that had banished him. But just in case, the other kingdoms needed to be protected. I think all the senshi rule the planets together, like a council. Their bond is like a deep loving family, and they consider and respect and love each other. They would help in each others decisions. The Council of the Crystal Era, but each rulers of their own Kingdoms, because it's a unity of kingdoms, and one does not own the other but it's like a peace treaty between countries. Allies. Crystal Tokyo may be the capital, but some of the other cities may be more popular like California and Sacremento and Los Angelos or Hollywood lol. I imagine that other planets in other systems have their own similar Galactic Alliances. Because like http://www.kinmoku.net/pops/melody/mokusei.php but a little different. Kinmoku is a giant red planet, but much like earth except minor differences. Lush green lands, and various geological formations but many volcanoes that create jungle like area's all over. The sand and dirt is red, and the oceans, their water, is red. The Starlights are depicted as heavenly bodies, wandering stars. Like the Asteroid senshi, yet not, they hail from comets, and their homes(the comets) were trapped by the pull of the planet Kinmoku, and as a result, the three lights were in turn pulled to Kakyuu-hime, and like the Sailor Senshi towards Sailor Moon, they devoted their lives to her. So their comets became moons. The Alliance in their corner of the Galaxy is the capital Tankei Kingdom(Kakyuu-hime's kingdom) and the various kingdoms on Kinmoku, and the three moons. Fighter, Healer and Maker. (Hey what may be strange outside of Vegas is fun, if only in Vegas. What's weird names to us might be important to them lol? And who is to say there were mini alliances within the Silver Millennium, that doesn't carry over into the Crystal Millennium? Coronis obviously greatly appreciated Mars, while Mau was specially fond of the Moon. Whose to say planet Mermaid wasn't fond of Mercury and/or Neptune. The senshi of the Milky Way galaxy are famous all on their own. - Spoiler:
Towards the idea of the Sailor Senshi being old souls that have elevated to Senshi Status, in order to become a Sailor Senshi, the soul connects to a heavenly body within the universe. They are connect that planet in way that if the planet dies, than the person dies, like how we saw when Mamoru and Usagi were infected in the Dream saga.
The universe is a live breathing thing. Everything is born from a star seed and that is the seed of life, but a seed of a Sunflower doesn't give birth to a rose. And a starseed that embodies the soul of a person, isn't the same kind of starseed that becomes a planet, asteroid, comet or moon.
And I believe, that is when the starseed of a person, does something miraculous, and the touch of that soul that is connected by the Galaxy Cordon is felt by the soul of a planet, and the planet reaches out and "connects", "imprints", "binds" it's soul to the person until they are one. They are a Sailor Senshi.
Which is why I also believe Chibiusa will not always be called Sailor Moon. I think somewhere out there, when she's older, she'll find an adventure of her own within the universe, find a planet and explore learn and realize that it's her true home, where her kingdom will rise, and she'll share a soul with.
Like planets, asteroids, comets, sun's, floating in space, we also know their are other things. Black holes, warps in space, dark matter. Whose to say there aren't other things. Crystals floating around, souls without a heavenly body or a humanoid body? But CRYSTALS. This is stemmed from another's theory about how Queen Serenity didn't actually come from the moon but a different galaxy like Nehelania. With her she carried the Silver Crystal and brought it to the moon, which is why she doesn't have a natural crescent moon upon her forehead but Usagi does. I imagine a war raged where Nehelania and Queen Serenity are from, and that they knew each other. I believe that the silver crystal was a person, and died in a battle or something where they are originally from. I believe, that person was Queen Serenity's favorite person. Best friend, mother, sister, lover, whomever. To save that person, she binded her own soul to this person, to prevent their starseed from moving on to the galaxy cordon, and to do this she pleaded with Guardian Cosmos. With their souls binded, Queen Serenity felt the pull of a planet's soul pushing to bind with her and this starseed(Silver crystal)'s soul. (If you've ever seen Avatar: The Last Airbender, imagine how Yue was able to live because the moon spirit decided to share it's life force with her, and when it took it back, she died.) The planet wanted to, originally, bind it’s soul with Queen Serenity because of her selfless act but instead because she bound her soul to the Silver Crystal, she blocked her starseed and it was forced to bind to the Silver Crystal where it still felt the pull of Queen Serenity’s soul because of their connection. Which is why, a Sailor Moon was never supposed to exist, because although the bind is irreversible, the planet refused to turn Usagi into a senshi. The only way the silver crystal starseed could gain a body, is by Queen Serenity taking the starseed into her body, and 9 months later, giving her dearest person new life. The star seeds new body becomes her daughter which is why Princess Serenity does not have a father. Like the Virgin Mary, and she gave birth on the moon, which is why Usagi has a crescent moon mark. (Those born on the planet can have the insignia of their planet. Which explains Queen Serenity. Only after Usagi’s sorrow an remembering the Moon, the Silver Millennium and her mother had she been able to become Sailor Moon, because the moon finally accepts her. The fact that Queen Serenity’s soul is binded to Usagi’s is why she was never reborn and why her memories were stored into the Palace on the Moon Kingdom, so she can always be with her daughter, not just through their bond but through all the memories they got to share together. Side head canon: Only the senshi, Mamoru, and Usagi can see the spirit of the moon, because to me, the computer program and memory act as a powerbase for Queen Serenity’s soul bound to Usagi, can be seen like a ghost. Usagi has her soul bonded to her, so she sees her, and since Mamoru and the senshi are bonded to Usagi, they see what she does and Chibiusa through bloodline. The original intention behind the Silver Millennium was not just to unite the kingdoms in peace and harmony, that was a given of what she wanted, but was really because she wanted the senshi, the inner and the outer senshi to bond with Usagi, hoping the moon would eventually be able to open up to her daughter and become a true Sailor Senshi, and showed how special and important being a Sailor Senshi is by working with the Senshi. Giving them purposes, because perhaps they were lost a lot like Galaxia had been. She gifted them with castles, and they became Royal Status, and they each had a reason to be a Sailor Senshi hoping to woo the moon and create friends for her daughter. Queen Serenity knew Usagi would become a greater than her in power and status not because she can see the future which is why it’s so vague. Only Queen Serenity knows Usagi would become a Sailor Senshi, and who Usagi had been in a past life before Queen Serenity gave her rebirth. So yeah, I’m done babbling now. That was fun^^ What do you think?
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| | | Sailor Shayera-Elektra Star Seed
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| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 9th November 2013, 4:08 pm | |
| Well, I have theory. It's not mine, but I liked and I agree. Pluto said that the future is not written in stone, but every decision might change the future. And everytime Chibiusa travels to past she creates a new timeline. At original timeline, before R/black moon, we don't see Uranus, Neptune nor Saturn, because there wasn't at that timeline any need of them to awaken, so they probably spent the rest of their lives as civilians or didn't even re-incarnated at that era. Pluto is locked at the Gates. In that timeline, they didn't need upgrade or help, so the powers that Sailor Moon had was enough when she reached the NQS form and they live happily in Crystal Tokyo (or not that happy, Chibiusa didn't look a really happy child). Then we have the Black Moon attack and all that events we know. Chibiusa stoles one of Pluto's keys (she does that in manga) or whatever and goes back to the past seeking Sailor Moon's help, since according to her Dad's story was a invencible warrior (or he has a terrible memory of past or with time he ornated the original story, nevermind). That itself changed the timeline creating a new one: a timeline where the met Chibiusa and heard of Crystal Tokyo and later travel to future where they met Pluto, King Endymion and sleep beauty NQS. The vilains also travel to the past. Can you imagine how it messed with the time stream?? Originally the 1st time Demande saw Serenity was he attacked Crystal Palace, but then he travels to the past to stalk Serenity's young self. So, when we get to the 30th century, NQS already know Demande. New altered timeline, new vilains and the senshi need to get stronger in order to defeat the enemy. Chibiusa is turned into Black Lady. NQS has to use her powers to help Sailor Moon to defeat Black Lady and Death Phantom (anime) or just to defeat Death Phatom and Pluto leaves the Gates to join the fight (manga), Pluto dies. A new timeline is now created! Pluto is now re-incarnated at 20th century or is allowed to go to that time. Chibiusa travels back to train with past senshi. Neptune and Uranus are awaken because of the Death Busters presence. The reunion of Pluto, Uranus and Neptune summon Saturn. By this point we have 2 timelines: Death Busters never showed up or Uranus/Neptune/Saturn never awaken/died. Or things happened exactly as shown at anime/manga. We have a different timeline, because in the future Chibiusa saw the Holy Grail at Serenity's room. But after all that events, we see the Grail being destroyed by Mistress 9 - A new timeline was created. And so it goes. |
| | | Miss Tricks Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 29th November 2013, 1:37 am | |
| My headcanon is that during the original timeline, the Death Busters plot resulted in the deaths of Uranus, Neptune, and Saturn. The Inner Senshi were only peripherally involved because the Holy Grail didn't form. -they were probably due to be reborn during the time of Crystal Tokyo, and would have been Chibi-Usa's age/compatriots, with Pluto overseeing them. (...but the timeline was permanently changed as of the point that Usagi and Neo-Queen Serenity met face to face, and then changed again when Chibi-Usa was sent back to the past.) -this would mean that there were three timelines as of the end of S. The original timeline, without any time travel. Chibi-Usa messes this up when she goes to the past the first time, creating the second timeline. In the second timeline, Pluto is reborn in the past. (Making it possible for the Holy Grail to be formed/found.) The THIRD timeline occurs when Chibi-Usa goes to the past during S. First timeline: Neptune and Uranus and Saturn die through various means. The Holy Grail is never found/formed. Second timeline: Neptune and Uranus and Saturn still die. Pluto may or may not die. The Holy Grail is formed, and Usagi (...or Mamoru) is used as a sacrifice/victim in Chibi-Usa's place. But everything turns out well, or the Inner Senshi are still only barely involved in the proceedings, which is why Neo-Queen Serenity thinks it's a-okay to send Chibi-Usa back in time for training. Third timeline: Canon. The 'making friends' line wasn't necessarily about Hotaru, though it worked out that way. |
| | | Ashtray Girl 海王 Star Seed
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| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 3rd June 2017, 1:45 pm | |
| - Houyou no Senshi wrote:
- It's probably just because Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune had not been created as characters in the manga or anime during the arc where we see Crystal Tokyo
I'm pretty sure that when Queen Serenity reincarnated all the senshi during the battle with Queen Beryl in the anime are also shown some other senshi than the inners, I spotted sailor neptune in one frame, inside one sphere. So maybe it was already planned to have many sailor senshi protecting various planets and celestial bodies |
| | | Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
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| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 3rd June 2017, 5:17 pm | |
| While that's true, I still believe that is just a coincidence. I don't think SM had even been green lit for a 3rd season at that point and if there was going to be an Easter egg of Neptune, why not at least one of Uranus as well? Buuuuut it would be REALLY nice if it were Neptune, inverse.
I was thinking about the Outers not being in Crystal Tokyo in the manga recently since in the manga club we are in the middle of the Black Moon Clan Arc. I've gone back and forth about SM manga have multi-universe theory with time-travel (a la Dragon Ball series) for a while now. Mostly because the story at times supports it but at others it doesn't. The times when it doesn't support it is when events in the past affect the future. I'd have to refresh myself on the Stars arc but the events in the past start affecting the future and Chibiusa notices and wishes to go to the past.
ANYWAY, if there is multiverse theory, then the future where Chibiusa comes from, the events of Infinity Arc never happen, or if they do, its in a way where Neptune and Uranus are never awakened. The only thing is Chibiusa knows about Eternal Sailor Moon so...it makes me think maybe the events of Stars happen but are a little different?
I still want to know what great event makes the whole world makes this young unknown woman from Japan Queen of the Earth but thats another topic xD |
| | | Ashtray Girl 海王 Star Seed
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| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 6th June 2017, 6:48 am | |
| - Brit-chan wrote:
- While that's true, I still believe that is just a coincidence. I don't think SM had even been green lit for a 3rd season at that point and if there was going to be an Easter egg of Neptune, why not at least one of Uranus as well? Buuuuut it would be REALLY nice if it were Neptune, inverse.
I was thinking about the Outers not being in Crystal Tokyo in the manga recently since in the manga club we are in the middle of the Black Moon Clan Arc. I've gone back and forth about SM manga have multi-universe theory with time-travel (a la Dragon Ball series) for a while now. Mostly because the story at times supports it but at others it doesn't. The times when it doesn't support it is when events in the past affect the future. I'd have to refresh myself on the Stars arc but the events in the past start affecting the future and Chibiusa notices and wishes to go to the past.
ANYWAY, if there is multiverse theory, then the future where Chibiusa comes from, the events of Infinity Arc never happen, or if they do, its in a way where Neptune and Uranus are never awakened. The only thing is Chibiusa knows about Eternal Sailor Moon so...it makes me think maybe the events of Stars happen but are a little different?
I still want to know what great event makes the whole world makes this young unknown woman from Japan Queen of the Earth but thats another topic xD I'm thinking too much about multiverse lately, even if not related to SM I like the multiverse theory (even if I don't think that's the case, because the same people from the present are living in the future) but I think that, if it was the case, events from one universe could affect one other universe in any case, with infinite universes come infinite possibilities Anyway, by chance I just saw a video of Queen Serenity and Princess Serenity and I saw the scene I was referring to, and, I don't know if it'sjust because she's my favourite senshi, but I keep seeing neptune in one of the eggs There are many people that are being reincarnated, and between them I guess many senshi (or maybe only senshi and not common people), so maybe Naoko didn't have a clear idea about what was going to happen next, but maybe she immagined many senshi from the beginning... (I took a screenshot of that frame) |
| | | Brit-chan Senior Member Small Lady Emeritus
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| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 6th June 2017, 8:39 am | |
| Oh yeah, it's definitely a look a like. I always noticed it too every time I watched the episode ever since I had the Dic dub version of the episode on VHS. XD Maybe Naoko had some rough designs at that point or something? I'm not really entirely sure on the timeline of when seasons got green-lit, etc. I always assumed that at that point, it hadn't been quite yet, but who knows, maybe they were in talks? The anime industry always worked a bit different than how animation production did in the US. - Quote :
- (even if I don't think that's the case, because the same people from the present are living in the future)
Well, there's not really a reason for them to not be? I dunno this reasoning kinda confused me. xD In Dragonball Z, when the timelines split, characters from the main timeline and new one still existed. Also the only people we know from the present that is in Crystal Tokyo is Usagi, Mamo and the Inners. We never learned anything of other people but even still, regardless of multiple timeslines, there's no reason they can't exist. The other reason multiverse theory would work is it would also explain lack of Super forms in the future (even though the logical explanation is just that Naoko forgot but lets ignore that for now xD). But then Pluto is the only one shown in her Super fuku in the future in the manga. So. I do agree that events from one universe could possibly affect the other but since everything is left so loosey goosey in SM and Naoko didn't really seem to think ahead on that, I'm not sure if that's the case or not in her world. And then there's the question of Pluto. Is the Pluto that's first introduced to us, the Pluto back from the Silver Millenium or is she reborn like everyone else since Saturn ends up Silence Glaiving the whole thing? And if she is, is she the Setsuna we meet in Infinity Arc who was actually revived by NQS? And thus NQS created some sort of time loop for Pluto? And what about the implications of present SM meeting her future self which was supposed to be bad?? Did that maybe alter events of the original time line? Can we all blame it on Usagi in the end? So many questions. So little answers. Naoko!! *shakes fist* |
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| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 6th June 2017, 8:54 am | |
| Just to throw in a quick note about the screenshot that shows another sailor soldier: she isn't wearing Neptune's shoes. I tend to lean towards this character not being a specific design sketch from Naoko, but an assisting animator completing the scene based on general notes. It's really fun to think it might have been a hint at what's to come, but I feel like that's not as likely. |
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| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 28th June 2017, 3:11 pm | |
| Ignore the hat made out of foil on my head but, how ive always explained this to myself is maybe when they travel time they are travel from this point to the future so all the events that havent really happened yet? like there jumping from r all the way to crystal tokyo so there skipping over the event of s ss and stars? because to me, like if it was the future if everything ended with R? i feel like nothing im typing is making sense like it does in my mind hahaha if i could make a diagram then it would all make sense LOL |
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Title : Queen of the Cat Kingdom Posts : 23236 Join date : 2011-06-23 Age : 36 Location : Lafayette, LA
| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 28th June 2017, 4:47 pm | |
| That's another perspective too, and I think I've tried to think about it in that way too. In fact, honestly when the whole future stuff was probably created Infinity through Stars probably was hardly a thought in Naoko's mind. xD |
| | | Lust Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 29th June 2017, 11:09 am | |
| What may have happened is that when they went into the future and learned what they did could have been what changed the direction of the future. All the craziness that followed after that arc may never have happened if they didn't travel through time. |
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| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 5th July 2017, 9:41 am | |
| Maybe they were on vacation. |
| | | Paprika Lotus Crystal
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| Subject: Re: Theory: Why Aren't The Outers Seen In Crystal Tokyo? 19th July 2017, 1:03 pm | |
| I think it was just one of the plot holes that Naoko had while creating the manga. She originally had no intention of going forward as long as the manga had gone (in fact, if memory serves me right, she had planned to have everyone die in the end ^^ . Since her publisher disrupted her plans to end the manga early, she kept on continuing the series. That leaves us with a lot of plot holes throughout both the anime and the manga. As for the screenshot of the Neptune Look-A-Like, Naoko took inspirations of many things when creating her characters from people she knew and etc. I just think that the look-a-like was a coincidence. Remember that technically Neptune, Uranus and Pluto watch the battle from afar as they were not permitted to leave their posts until their talisman called upon Sailor Saturn. |
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